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The Annoyed Man
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Re: What is the world becoming....

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anygunanywhere wrote:Mrs. Anygun has been a nurse for 40 years and has worked every specialty except ER and OR. Her favorite is oncology. She achieved certification in this field when we lived in California.

If a patient is suffering pain then the doctor is at fault. There is no reason to prescribe pot for pain medication or appetite. The only reason pot has been legalized for medicinal use is because people want to use pot. Pain management is a specialty. If a patient is suffering they need to get another doctor that knows how to manage pain.

I am all for legalization. The war against pot is another example of a lesson we should have learned by the alcohol prohibition fiasco.

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If she's worked in hospitals then she should know that they have more "illegal drugs" than most street dealers. Depending on the type of surgery such as my aunts nose surgery they will use liquid cocaine to stop the blood flow and such. If cocaine can have medical uses I'd be willing to guess that marijuana does as well and no offense to your wife but many others (doctors, nurses and more) have put their weight behind marijuana and I doubt all of them are doing so just so they can smoke it.

I'd much rather be prescribed marijuana for pain then be given a bottle of pills that have more potential side affects than an increased appetite, a dry mouth and reduced motor speed.
Fair enough, but know that smoking marijuana has other, potentially more serious side effects than the ones you've listed. In addition to the ones listed on this PRO-medical marijuana website (http://www.evaluationtoday.com/news_med ... fects.html), this NEUTRAL site lists others (http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99 ... lth_1.html):
  • May accelerate the very conditions it is meant to treat.
  • May suppress the immune system of the person under treatment, proving particularly fatal to AIDS patients.
  • Can lead to respiratory illnesses, including cancer of the lung. (Think "non-filter" smokes....)
  • Can lead to mental health issues and related disorders.
And this list comes from a page which opens with the following quote:
I must preface these statements with the remark that there is still a great deal of research to be done concerning the effects of marijuana on the health of humans due to the fact that widespread marijuana use has only become prevalent in this country within the last three decades, so the effects of long-term use are just beginning to become apparent. I should also add that in making these observations, I have concentrated on the risks of smoking natural marijuana, since it is the most effective method of ingesting its active cannabinoids.

Marijuana has often been touted as one of the safest recreational substances available. This is perhaps true; many reputable scientific studies support the conclusion that cocaine, heroine, alcohol, and even cigarettes are more dangerous to the user's health than marijuana. In addition, the celebrated pharmacological properties of cannabis have led thirty-six states to permit its use as a therapeutic drug for, among others, those suffering from AIDS; various painful, incurable and debilitating illnesses; the harmful side effects of cancer chemotherapy, and glaucoma. Additional research is being conducted concerning the use of marijuana on the treatment of anxiety and mental disorders.

Nonetheless, it would be fallacious to conclude that because the chemicals in marijuana have been found to present fewer dangers than some very harmful substances, the medical or recreational use of marijuana is perfectly safe. In a recreational context, marijuana has been shown to affect health, brain function, and memory. And in a medical context, marijuana is like any other powerful prescription drug: it has potentially dangerous side effects, and the decision to use it to treat patients must involve the same balancing test as the one required for chemotherapy or AZT: do the therapeutic effects of the drug outweigh its harmful effects? Though there are many more studies to be done on this issue, current data shows that the answer to this question may not always be "yes."
And then there's this piece (http://www.tulsasurgicalarts.com/blog.php/2012/05/1186/):
Feminine breasts affect over 60% of American men to some degree. The details of this condition, its potential causes and treatments are discussed in a recent ABC News article. This article states that marijuana use may dramatically contribute to this condition.

Male breast reduction is one of the most common cosmetic surgeries performed on men, along with chin surgery and the tummy tuck procedure. This condition of enlarged breasts is known as gynecomastia. It is caused by a wide range of factors, including both genetic and behavioral influences. In addition to discussing possible causes of this condition, this article detailed a number of ways that you can treat gynecomastia.

Gynecomastia Influenced by Pot Smoking and Genetics

Many boys go through a stage of slightly enhanced breasts during their development during puberty. This affects each individual differently and at different times.

However, according to Dr. Steven Goldman, a surgeon experienced in male breast reduction, “young men who use marijuana through puberty may have that transient, temporary breast enlargement become permanent, because as their testosterone levels are altered by the marijuana they can get interference with the normal development.”

Marijuana suppresses the natural level of testosterone, which is a hormone crucial to male development. This creates an imbalance of estrogen, a hormone crucial to female development. This overall imbalance contributes to breasts that are of more feminine contour.
So go ahead. Knock yourself out.......literally........but if you're a dude, you might want to start shopping Victoria's Secret.........for yourself. Pictures, in case you don't believe me: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pictures+of+male+b ... na+smokers
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Re: What is the world becoming....

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TAM, I am far from a stoner. I have never smoked so much as a cigarette. However I think that it is likely that marijuana does have medicinal uses. I think it is also possible that some of the side effects could be reduced by changing the method of delivery to the body. We use opiates in medicine with far fewer side effects than smoking opium. Cocaine is used in medicine, but it in that method of use has far fewer complications than smoking crack. Even tobacco can be used medicinally (of course not by smoking it but rather by crushing the plant and using it for treat skin ailments and insect bites. I use alcohol (in the form of mikes hard lemonade) to calm down my back rather than take 800mg of Motrin when I overdo it and it threatens to spasm (a drink of alcohol being less toxic to the body than repeated high doses of ibuprofen)..

I think like many things marijuana is rather nuetral. Can be good, can be terrible, just depends on the use. If used properly I would be that it would be a boon and a help. I am betting some of the destructive qualities could be reduced by using an alternative means of delivery to burning it and inhaling the smoke....Now it could be abused and of course using it as an escape is foolish. But the world has tolerated and handled people who abuse alcohol and tobacco.

I am not neccesarily advocating going whole hog and making it available to any and all like snickers bars. But if ever clear alcohol is legal and tobacco which kills hundreds of thousands is legal then I have a hard time justifying the penalties now placed on the use of marijuana. At any rate I think this decision needs to return to the states. If CO wants to make it legal, TX wants to restrict its use to by prescription only, and IL says "not in my state no way no how". Then I think it is fair to let the people decide on a more regional/local basis.
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Re: What is the world becoming....

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The Annoyed Man wrote:
Marijuana suppresses the natural level of testosterone, which is a hormone crucial to male development. This creates an imbalance of estrogen, a hormone crucial to female development. This overall imbalance contributes to breasts that are of more feminine contour.
So go ahead. Knock yourself out.......literally........but if you're a dude, you might want to start shopping Victoria's Secret.........for yourself. Pictures, in case you don't believe me: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pictures+of+male+b ... na+smokers
"rlol" "rlol" :smilelol5: :smilelol5: :smilelol5: :lol: :lol: :lol: :cool:

Stoners. :roll: They crack me up.
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