I Think We're Done...

[LucasMcCain]

Cyphur, I realize your comment was probably not directed at me, but I feel I should clarify my position. I feel anyone who wishes to serve in our country's military should be allowed to do so if they pass the requirements. I thank all of them for their service. I don't feel that the government should pay for elective surgery for soldiers. I realize that the government has decided that gender reassignment surgery is medically necessary, but I disagree. I have known three transgender people in my life. Two transitioned from male to female, and one from female to male. While all went to a great deal of trouble and personal expense to make their transitions, I don't think any of them believed it to be a matter of life and death.

[bblhd672]

Whether we are done as a country has absolutely nothing to do with transgendered individuals in the military. None whatsoever.

No, it has to do with "normalization" of another tiny percentage of the population who demand that the rest of us bow our knee to their abnormal beliefs and behaviors.

[cyphur]

Whether we are done as a country has absolutely nothing to do with transgendered individuals in the military. None whatsoever.

No, it has to do with "normalization" of another tiny percentage of the population who demand that the rest of us bow our knee to their abnormal beliefs and behaviors.

As a democratic republic, protection of the minority is the whole point. Popular rule was avoided intentionally.

Nobody is requiring anyone agree with their life choices/beliefs. What is just, and proper, is for them to not be persecuted for them.

[cyphur]

I don't feel that the government should pay for elective surgery for soldiers. I realize that the government has decided that gender reassignment surgery is medically necessary, but I disagree.

On that point, I completely agree. SRS should not be funded with my tax dollars any more than a breast enhancement or a tummy tuck should be.

[anygunanywhere]

Whether we are done as a country has absolutely nothing to do with transgendered individuals in the military. None whatsoever.

Blacks in specialty positions, officers, pilots.
Then people were allowed to serve as long as they kept their homosexuality hush hush.
Then it was ruled that openly gay soliders were acceptable.
Then women in combat roles (they've been serving with Special Forces in Cultural Support Teams for over ten years.....).
Now transgendered people can openly stay in the service.


At no point in time did any of the aforementioned events really cause any serious harm to the defense of our nation. Whether you agree with an individual's choice or sexual preference, it is what it is. It has been federal law making it illegal to discriminate on sexual preference, ethnicity, gender, etc.

And yes, before anyone berates me for lack of context, I did serve, and also spent time in Afghanistan as a contractor.



Now, this country may very well be headed down the drain, but is has nothing to do with transgenders. In the military or otherwise.

You are not going to convince all of us. You cannot change the truth.

[MeMelYup]

Whether we are done as a country has absolutely nothing to do with transgendered individuals in the military. None whatsoever.

No, it has to do with "normalization" of another tiny percentage of the population who demand that the rest of us bow our knee to their abnormal beliefs and behaviors.

As a democratic republic, protection of the minority is the whole point. Popular rule was avoided intentionally.

Nobody is requiring anyone agree with their life choices/beliefs. What is just, and proper, is for them to not be persecuted for them.

We are a Constitutional Republic, not Demicratic. I think this is where a lot of politicians get into trouble.

[cyphur]

Whether we are done as a country has absolutely nothing to do with transgendered individuals in the military. None whatsoever.

Blacks in specialty positions, officers, pilots.
Then people were allowed to serve as long as they kept their homosexuality hush hush.
Then it was ruled that openly gay soliders were acceptable.
Then women in combat roles (they've been serving with Special Forces in Cultural Support Teams for over ten years.....).
Now transgendered people can openly stay in the service.


At no point in time did any of the aforementioned events really cause any serious harm to the defense of our nation. Whether you agree with an individual's choice or sexual preference, it is what it is. It has been federal law making it illegal to discriminate on sexual preference, ethnicity, gender, etc.

And yes, before anyone berates me for lack of context, I did serve, and also spent time in Afghanistan as a contractor.



Now, this country may very well be headed down the drain, but is has nothing to do with transgenders. In the military or otherwise.

You are not going to convince all of us. You cannot change the truth.

I don't feel the need to convince anyone - you are all entitled to your opinion/mindset/beliefs. I was offering another perspective, my own. And truth is subjective, affected by beliefs and perspective. Hence who so many vehemently argue over what said truth is.

AsI said before, nobody is asking or requiring you to agree with anyone's life choices.

[2farnorth]

[quote="cyphur]

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Now, this country may very well be headed down the drain, but is has nothing to do with transgenders. In the military or otherwise.[/quote]
I will respectfully disagree. It is but one symptom of the over all problem. The are way too many "special" people/groups in this country. Let's go back to being Americans.

[ScottDLS]

There's no reason to make accommodation for transgendered people in the military, because there is no such thing. You are born with XX or XY chromosomes...that's it. Your sex is determined at conception. Regardless of what kind of underwear you wear, or what surgery or hormones you have, you are going to be the sex you were born with. We don't let special forces males take massive anabolic steroids to bulk up and be better fighters, so we shouldn't let women take medically unnecessary hormones to pretend they are male. If a male decides to mutilate himself and take female hormones, then he's going to be less effective than a normal female in the same role. So why should we accommodate 0.3% of the population's mental illness when there are plenty of healthy people of both sexes willing to serve?

[chuck j]

Your not playing the game right . Your not supposed to use reality and common sense ?

[WTR]

Actually rare conditions exist were there are XXY, XXXY XYY etc. chromosomes...They can cause havoc.

[ScottDLS]

Actually rare conditions exist were there are XXY, XXXY XYY etc. chromosomes...They can cause havoc.

And these people are not "transgender", they have a genetic abnormality, and as such should receive whatever medical treatment that can help them. How many born that way each year...? 10? 12?

[WTR]

Actually rare conditions exist were there are XXY, XXXY XYY etc. chromosomes...They can cause havoc.

And these people are not "transgender", they have a genetic abnormality, and as such should receive whatever medical treatment that can help them. How many born that way each year...? 10? 12?

Try 200,000 per year. Small testis, large mammary glands, breast cancer, micro penises,delayed puberty, tall thin body growth not to mention the mental problems associated with it. May be treated but not cured.

[chuck j]

I don't mind buying a power chair for a person in need but I'm not for buying them new genitalia because they have a mental condition .

[WTR]

Actually, I agree. I wasn't addressing someone being transgender, just the statement about chromosomes.