alchohol and chl

jmra · Post by **jmra** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:59 pm

Trinitite wrote:People are individuals.

Some people can't handle alcohol and they get into trouble when they drink. Those people shouldn't carry when they drink and shouldn't drink when they carry.

Some people can drink responsibly. For those people it's not a problem to have one or two drinks, whether or not they're carrying.

Some people are vinophobes like chabouk says.

"Statistics on alcohol-related deaths are bleak. Every year approximately 75,000 lives will be lost due to alcohol. Countless family and friends left behind will be greatly affected. No one is immune; a chronic alcoholic or an innocent bystander can become a victim. Each death is tragic and often avoidable. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), alcohol abuse is the third leading "preventable cause" of death in the United States."

Every person that ever got behind the wheel drunk believed the same thing you believe. They believed they could handle alcohol and they believed they were drinking responsibly. Research proves that one drink can affect your abilities and judgement. But I am sure that through your own research you are confident that you are somehow immune.

boomerang · Post by **boomerang** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:00 pm

I respect your opinion and I promise I will not use any of my firearms to help save you if I've had a drink in the past year.

jmra · Post by **jmra** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:37 pm

boomerang wrote:I respect your opinion and I promise I will not use any of my firearms to help save you if I've had a drink in the past year.

According to "Psychology Today" those who resort to sarcasm are simply "expressing aggression toward others and insecurity about themselves".

marksiwel · Post by **marksiwel** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:44 pm

jmra wrote:
boomerang wrote:I respect your opinion and I promise I will not use any of my firearms to help save you if I've had a drink in the past year.
According to "Psychology Today" those who resort to sarcasm are simply "expressing aggression toward others and insecurity about themselves".

*sigh*

Oldgringo · Post by **Oldgringo** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:57 pm

{SIGH}

Isn't this about enough on this subject? For goodness sakes, this horse is dead. :deadhorse:

joe817 · Post by **joe817** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:18 pm

Oldgringo wrote: {SIGH}

Isn't this about enough on this subject? For goodness sakes, this horse is dead.

I agree. Can we get this locked and move on please?

wgoforth · Post by **wgoforth** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:19 pm

Can people not simply honestly believe something is wrong without others throwing the "phobe" word on them?? Those of us who believe homosexuality to be morally/biblically wrong have been called homophobes for years. Now I find I am a vinophobe too? Come on guys, deal with the issues instead of assuming it's JUST a fear of it? And for those who want to study the issue in depth, might I recommend the little paperback (in fact, it's probably downloadable for free off the net, been around since 1874) of Bible Wines by William Patton. After all, some would say we are ALL "Bad-Guy-a-phobes...... I'm just sayin

marksiwel · Post by **marksiwel** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:59 pm

I think he meant
vinophile

Unless you were being REALLY Funny
If its the latter,

If you just think he was saying you were afraid of wine

ScottDLS · Post by **ScottDLS** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:05 am

jmra wrote:
boomerang wrote:I respect your opinion and I promise I will not use any of my firearms to help save you if I've had a drink in the past year.
According to "Psychology Today" those who resort to sarcasm are simply "expressing aggression toward others and insecurity about themselves".

According to the Mayor of Chicago the Fort Hood shootings were caused by America's love of guns. Psychology Today and AMA are not credible sources when their reporting is compromised by their liberal editorial orthodoxy.

"0.04 blood alcohol causes impairment of judgment....". This is a non sequitur. Well over 50% of car accidents are caused by non-drinking drivers. So what? Reading the drivel that passes for modern psychology causes impairment of judgment. So does being a teenager. But it doesn't necessarily make you intoxicated as defined by the penal code.

I think the intoxication standard for carrying and driving are properly defined in the PC 49.01. There is a fairly high BAC (0.08) that creates an automatic presumption of intoxication, then there is a definition "not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties..." which is a fact that can be established by a jury at trial. You can be intoxicated at lower than 0.08, but you aren't necessarily presumed to be.

Oh yeah...if this thread gets locked, I'm going to start one about whether the 30.06 signs at Grapevine Mills mall are valid...

wgoforth · Post by **wgoforth** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:05 am

marksiwel wrote:I think he meant
vinophile

Unless you were being REALLY Funny
If its the latter,
If you just think he was saying you were afraid of wine

Only Chabok and Trinitite can answer as to how they meant it. I am taking the posts to mean that those who are opposed to beverage alcohol to be vinophobes....scared of wine. You know how the term "phobe" gets hurled at people who oppose something frequently. Easier to do that then rationally discuss.

marksiwel · Post by **marksiwel** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:09 am

wgoforth wrote:
marksiwel wrote:I think he meant
vinophile

Unless you were being REALLY Funny
If its the latter,
If you just think he was saying you were afraid of wine
Only Chabok and Trinitite can answer as to how they meant it. I am taking the posts to mean that those who are opposed to beverage alcohol to be vinophobes....scared of wine. You know how the term "phobe" gets hurled at people who oppose something frequently. Easier to do that then rationally discuss.

Vinophile= A wine lover
Vinophobe= is not a word
oenophobia= Fear of wine

Darn I'm good

wgoforth · Post by **wgoforth** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:17 am

Darn I'm good[/quote]

Look at the original posts and tell me which fits more .... A LOVER of or someone "scared" (made up word for emphasis, vinophobia) of wine. Here are the two posts who referred to one another. Your good, but let them speak. No one knows the heart of man unless they say it.:

Re: alchohol and chl

Postby chabouk » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:59 pm
I have concluded after years of watching this debate, that some people have the same reaction to alcohol that the Bradys have to guns: "Ooooooooh! Scary! Evil! Don't touch it, or it will start killing people!"

chabouk
Senior Member

Postby Trinitite » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:11 pm
People are individuals.

Some people are vinophobes like chabouk says.

Does that sound like PHILE or PHOBE? Again, all I ask is for people to deal with an issue rather than hurl meaningless prejudiced terms. Should it be they intended PHILE, my apologies. I am only going by what is written.

marksiwel · Post by **marksiwel** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:23 am

Why am I even up this late?

cbr600 · Post by **cbr600** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:01 am

marksiwel wrote:Why am I even up this late?

Not enough alcohol.

Post by **Skiprr** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:13 am

cbr600 wrote:
marksiwel wrote:Why am I even up this late?
Not enough alcohol.

Okay. I promise I will not post in this thread again...but that's just downright funny!