Thanks for the signs. Are two signs compliant with current law?, see:
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/81 ... 03883I.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
SECTION 5. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009........... ??? I wonder ...did that pass? I'll have to look later, tired now
September 1, 2009 ... looks like a re-write from 2005,
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/81 ... 03883I.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
must not have passed in 2005
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01549H.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I actually don't drink, go into bars or anyplace that would have a 51 sign posted,
The cited 11.041 section (or § 61.11 section). § 61.11 WARNING SIGN REQUIRED. (a) Each holder of a
license who is not otherwise required to display a sign under
Section 411.204, Government Code, (a 51 sign) shall display in a prominent
place on the license holder's premises a sign giving notice that it
is unlawful for a person to carry a weapon on the premises
unless
the weapon is a concealed handgun of the same category the person is
licensed to carry under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code)
doesn't mean those 51 signs, and excludes permit holders required to post the 51 signs. So. it refers to the top sign.
True that the top sign might be compliant with the Code's language, in a way ... since it may not be mandated language like 30.06 requires specific language.
The code appears to currently say: "unless the weapon is a concealed handgun of the same category the person is licensed to carry under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code." so that implies I can carry there, since I'm licensed, and belong to that "unless" catagory of persons.
Putting up a separate "30.06 sign" which attempts to circumvent the execption afforded by the "ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CODE 11.041 sign" as it applies to "persons licensed to carry under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code" just seems contradictory, vague, ambiguous and confusing
Sec. 11.041. (and § 61.11 )WARNING SIGN REQUIRED. (a) Each holder of a permit
who is not otherwise required to display a sign under Section 411.204, Government Code (a 51 sign)
Refers to the sign which is required that says
"unless the weapon is a concealed handgun of the same
category the person is licensed to carry under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code."
So, maybe there's newer changes to the Code which I am unaware ( probably lol) Maybe there's a newer one my instructor is mentioning, he keep really current on things.
But what I'm seeing as current in the code, and is newer than the 2005 police language signs language, still says the "unless" part in the specific signage I'm referring to, not the 51 sign.
I'm sure they could have passed something which is not yet updated in the online Codes, but here's the link to what I have for Sec. 11.041
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... htm#11.041" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I suppose it's merely an academic question, since I've never seen both signs in the same place, on a convenience store, restaurant, grocery store, etc
But it does pose an interesting question regarding convenience stores, restaurants, grocery stores who post TABC "required" (non-51), 11.041/§ 61.11 signs and also, I assume in error, post conflicting 30.06 signs.
I hope they chime in too. Until then, I assume that if I see the top "required" sign, I'm a member of the "unless" exception group, since I'm licensed, and that I'm permitted to carry there. Because I can't stop on a red and go on a green simultaneously at the same time, and that sign is "required" so the other must be an error if it contradicts and adds ambiguity to the required one
intended by the code, to give notice to a specific group, while excepting another group, by the language "unless". Would it be "effective notice" with conflicting ambiguity?
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup ... ill=HB2664" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I personally won't try that one out myself. 
