Striker Fired Pistols & Safety

[Right2Carry]

Another Glock discharge but this guy states a 1911 wouldn't have discharged and I doubt a DA/ DAO would have either.

http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/2011/03 ... e.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[jmra]

One was 3 years ago and the other was 5 years ago. Yep, happens all the time.

[Javier730]

Another Glock discharge but this guy states a 1911 wouldn't have discharged and I doubt a DA/ DAO would have either.

http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/2011/03 ... e.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This was not the glocks fault. The guy had a worn holster and for some reason was not careful when putting the glock in a holster that was visibly worn. If this is real, and not this guys idea of bashing glock, he should of noticed a longtime ago. The holster had to have been snagged multiple times and carried like that for the leather to have kept that shape without the pistol in it. The discharge would of more than likely happened when the leather was not as flexible. Probably the first time it snagged. I don't believe this particular case is true. Probably just a glock hating troll.

[jmra]

Another Glock discharge but this guy states a 1911 wouldn't have discharged and I doubt a DA/ DAO would have either.

http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/2011/03 ... e.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another 1911 ND
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/ad_tb.htm
We can play this game all night long.
Here's another
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=482
This one died

Here's another a little less than a year ago
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=469719

This one killed a stuffed teddy bear
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/inde ... 80388.html
And another
http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?5 ... -discharge

[Right2Carry]

Another Glock discharge but this guy states a 1911 wouldn't have discharged and I doubt a DA/ DAO would have either.

http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/2011/03 ... e.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another 1911 ND
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/ad_tb.htm
We can play this game all night long.
Here's another
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=482
This one died

Here's another a little less than a year ago
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=469719

This one killed a stuffed teddy bear
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/inde ... 80388.html
And another
http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?5 ... -discharge

In case you forgot the topic is striker fired pistols and safety. Maybe you didn't know but 1911's are not striker fired pistols therefore don't fit the topic of this thread. Please stay on topic or start another thread instead of trying to hijack this one.

[jmra]

Actually I am very much on topic as my posts have illustrated that glocks are just as safe as other firearms with thumb safeties (which was specifically mentioned in the OP). If you are so convinced otherwise I suggest you use the little triangle. As for me I will continue a civil discussion with those who are so inclined.

[carlson1]

I have deleted the last two post in this thread. The back on forth is now over. If it continues we will lock the thread and that would be regretful because it has a lot of helpful information.

No more warnings on this thread.

[Right2Carry]

A nice write up about a striker fired pistol that has a grip safety and or a manual safety. Earlier models required the trigger to be pulled for disassembly but the M model did away with that requirement. At least some manufacturers learn and strive for improvement to compensate for the fallibility of humans.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/springfield_XD_tactical.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[TexasComputerDude]

I think safetys are ok for beginning shooters but as one progresses, they realize they are in total control of their actions. Repitition through training builds muscle memory.

100% firearm safety is a very acheivable goal for some people. I may have an ND one day but its 100% my fault.

[Taypo]

I think safetys are ok for beginning shooters but as one progresses, they realize they are in total control of their actions. Repitition through training builds muscle memory.

Safeties are for beginners, eh? Pretty much every 1911 owner ever is probably going to have a good chuckle at that statement.

[TexasComputerDude]

Not exactly what i meant lol. I love 1911s. I just meant they get over the fear. And a cocked and locked 1911 can be just as scary compared to a switch.

[Taypo]

Not exactly what i meant lol. I love 1911s. I just meant they get over the fear. And a cocked and locked 1911 can be just as scary compared to a switch.

I knew what you were getting at, just couldn't resist taking the shot :)

From personal experience, a cocked and locked .45 is scary to everyone BUT the person carrying it. I trust mine completely. I'm one of a handful of people (according to the Internet, of course) that prefers the Series 80, doesn't disable the grip safety and leaves the trigger pull relatively heavy.

Of course, I also wait an hour after eating to swim and don't run with scissors ;)

[ShootDontTalk]

I read an interesting article on the safety (or lack thereof) of striker fired pistols (specifically Glocks) for LEO use. I've always felt more comfortable carrying DA/SA pistols or revolvers for concealed carry. My current most common carry is a DA/SA Walther PPK/s w/ thumb safety on. I've heard some LEO opinion that a service weapon should not be carried with safety on, as it results in longer reaction time. Also was told that the current military practice is to carry sidearm with safety off. Perhaps this is less critical for "civilian CCW". Just personally I've never been comfortable carrying a Glock due to the lighter trigger pull than a DA pistol. No doubt they are quite good guns and I enjoy shooting them. I could consider carrying a DA with safety off, as I also sometimes carry a revolver.

I have a simple solution of sorts to all this.

If you have a fear of striker fired pistols without safeties, then please, don't ever buy one. Please do go buy whatever floats your boat. I don't think anyone will criticize your choice. If you don't like Glocks, or 1911's, or whatever, just don't torture yourself by buying one.

Of course, you'll do the courtesy of allowing the rest of us to have the same freedom of choice.

There is nothing personal intended in this statement, but if you are relying on a gun manufacturer for your personal safety, then, in my opinion, you're making a serious error in judgement. You have all the freedom in the world to do that. I wish you the best of luck.

[treadlightly]

Don't count me as rabidly anti-Glock, but there is one aspect of the Glock bias that rings true to me. Your mileage, of course, may vary.

From Glock's web site:

GLOCK pistols are equipped with the “Safe Action”® System, a fully automatic safety system consisting of three passive, independently operating, mechanical safeties, which sequentially disengage when the trigger is pulled and automatically reengage when the trigger is released.

All quite true, I'm sure, but I would quibble over whether or not they are independently operating. The common ground is the trigger. One mechanical vote does four things - it disengages three safeties and releases the sear.

If I carried a Glock I'd install that thing they call The Gadget. It isn't a safety, per se, as much as it's a curb feeler. Put your thumb against the back of the slide and if anything starts to depress the trigger you'll both feel it and overpower it.

What's wrong with verifying what you already know, that the trigger is clear? I like redundancy and I like closed loop feedback, plus it's something truly independent of Glock's Safe Action features. I think Glock purists hate The Gadget, but I'm not sure why.

When I holster my 1911's, I keep my thumb under the safety lever. That assures the safety is on and that anything bumping my thumb against the lever is pushing the wrong way to turn the safety off. The Gadget would be my way of doing the same thing, sort of.

Of course, I don't need the safety anyway.