Bexar County deputies shoot man during disturbance call

[Taypo]

I didn't in any way, shape or form claim it was legal. As a matter of fact, I said "I don't think that's the legal answer."
It's my position that if he did indeed commit the assault, I don't have a moral issue with his death. The world is a better place without him in it.

That clarifies it for me. However, now I'm curious: Exactly what crimes result in a moral justification of immediate execution? It'd certainly be one way to clean up the prison system.

Repeat offenders with a history of violent crimes that beat on women and children is a great place to start.

[Javier730]

A little more info. This link says he had pulled a knife on his father in 1999 and on a campus police officer that same year.

http://m.mysanantonio.com/news/local/ar ... 483661.php

This link says sources from a different law enforcement who must remain anonymous because they are not authorized to speak to the media, said on the second video which shows a closer look and more of the confrontation than the video released, shows Flores tried stabbing one of the officers before the shooting and gives more of a perspective on why they fired.

http://m.mysanantonio.com/news/local/ar ... 481111.php

[Excaliber]

A little more info. This link says he had pulled a knife on his father in 1999 and on a campus police officer that same year.

http://m.mysanantonio.com/news/local/ar ... 483661.php

This link says sources from a different law enforcement who must remain anonymous because they are not authorized to speak to the media, said on the second video which shows a closer look and more of the confrontation than the video released, shows Flores tried stabbing one of the officers before the shooting and gives more of a perspective on why they fired.

http://m.mysanantonio.com/news/local/ar ... 481111.php

This type of follow on development is why I counseled earlier not to rush to judgment on this case. There were early indicators that it wasn't a bad shoot - particularly the fact that both deputies fired at almost the exact same moment. That's what happens when both react at the same time to a suddenly presented threat.

The newly reported statements by the deceased strongly suggest this was a suicide by cop case.

[suthdj]

There is a reason the second video is not being shown.

[b322da]

I didn't in any way, shape or form claim it was legal. As a matter of fact, I said "I don't think that's the legal answer."
It's my position that if he did indeed commit the assault, I don't have a moral issue with his death. The world is a better place without him in it.

That clarifies it for me. However, now I'm curious: Exactly what crimes result in a moral justification of immediate execution? It'd certainly be one way to clean up the prison system.

Repeat offenders with a history of violent crimes that beat on women and children is a great place to start.

It is just not believable that a statement like that was made by a resident of the United States of America, one who probably raves about his support for our Constitution every time the Second Amendment is mentioned.

No, that was naive of me. Of course it is believable.

Jim

[Taypo]

I didn't in any way, shape or form claim it was legal. As a matter of fact, I said "I don't think that's the legal answer."
It's my position that if he did indeed commit the assault, I don't have a moral issue with his death. The world is a better place without him in it.

That clarifies it for me. However, now I'm curious: Exactly what crimes result in a moral justification of immediate execution? It'd certainly be one way to clean up the prison system.

Repeat offenders with a history of violent crimes that beat on women and children is a great place to start.

It is just not believable that a statement like that was made by a resident of the United States of America, one who probably raves about his support for our Constitution every time the Second Amendment is mentioned.

No, that was naive of me. Of course it is believable.

Jim

I asked you a question in your previous comment that you either ignored or missed, so I'll ask you again.

What other opinions do you consider so wrong that someone should give up their rights? Obviously my opinion of wife beaters is an issue for you. What else?

[mojo84]

Why do they not release the video if it makes it so clear it was a good shoot and why did Niko LaHood the district attorney say he saw some concerning things in it? Instead, there is a secret unnamed source leaking that it was a good shoot and the video proves it and we are expected to believe that instead of what we see.

[Taypo]

Why do they not release the video if it makes it so clear it was a good shoot and why did Niko LaHood the district attorney say he saw some concerning things in it? Instead, there is a secret unnamed source leaking that it was a good shoot and the video proves it and we are expected to believe that instead of what we see.

You make a good point.

I'll make a leap and assume this source is credible. Could they be doing a reverse Ferguson and holding on to something that may vindicate the department to avoid inflaming local tensions even further?

The other leap that could be made is a source that's full of manure.

[suthdj]

Ok from the video we saw even if he had a knife in his hand was he really a threat to the LEO's at the moment he was shot, I suspect the reason he was shot twice was not because they both saw a threat but one reacted to the first shot, what caused the first shot is anyone's guess. However I won't say hang them out to dry until the second video is released.

[SA_Steve]

Seems a well known lawyer is now involved. He contributed a lot of money to <deleted> in the last election.

[Dragonfighter]

People have done precisely that, i.e. injured themselves to support a false allegation. But that aside, are you saying that in the event he did assault the wife, it was okay to kill him on the scene?

I'm not saying the shooting is bad; there's not enough evidence to make that decision yet. The video looks bad, but if there's a 2nd one that shows he had a knife, then that's very significant in the decision to shoot.
Chas.

In the event that he did indeed commit the assault?

One could make an educated guess that he's going to do it again based on the cycle of abuse, so the threat remains real as long as he's around. I don't think that's the legal answer, but its part of the reason I'm not at all bothered by this incident.

-em mine

A little "Minority Report" action?

From what my pea brain has gathered from the statutes, force and deadly force are justified to stop an act or prevent an imminent act of <fill in the blank>. If he had a weapon and did not surrender, that would qualify (in my mind) as an imminent threat. If he wasn't armed and the act had already occurred AND he surrendered, then where is the justification?

I have personally seen an incident where the person's actions and attitude along with physical evidence initially made them look guilty as sin. Thank God they weren't shot as it turned out they were NOT guilty but was agitated and "wearing" some of the evidence by transfer.

[Taypo]

Hardly takes a mind reader to predict that someone with this guys record is going to commit another violent crime....

[Excaliber]

Ok from the video we saw even if he had a knife in his hand was he really a threat to the LEO's at the moment he was shot, I suspect the reason he was shot twice was not because they both saw a threat but one reacted to the first shot, what caused the first shot is anyone's guess. However I won't say hang them out to dry until the second video is released.

Contagious fire is possible too. It could be either way from the released video. I can't make out if the subject moved before the shots or just after. That's a critical point. If he simply had a knife in his left hand but kept his hands raised and didn't engage in a threatening movement, I wouldn't see an imminent threat that justifies lethal force. On the other hand, in light of the fact that he allegedly already tried to stab a deputy, if he did have a knife in his hand and started to move from a hands up "surrender" position to the beginning of a charging posture, that would be a deadly threat.

I'm hoping the second video can clear this up.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Hardly takes a mind reader to predict that someone with this guys record is going to commit another violent crime....

That doesn't matter if the deputies did not know of his violent background. A deceased's prior violent criminal history is admissible in a trial of the person who shot him to show the defendant had a "reasonable belief that deadly force was immediately necessary," but on if the defendant knew about that history. Otherwise, it is not relevant and is not admissible. There is an exception if an issue at trial is "who was the initial aggressor."

Chas.