Ammo Prices Increasing September 1

ttorion · Post by **ttorion** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:32 pm

I've seen posts on various forums about ammo prices going up September 1. However, until today I had not seen any hard proof (was hoping it was just a vicious rumor

).

I was at the Natchez Shooter Supplies website today and they had an announcement and letters from the manufacturers.

Ammo Prices Going Up September 1

Better stock up now!

seamusTX · Post by **seamusTX** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:35 pm

I apologize for my earlier skepticism. That sure reeks of price fixing.

- Jim

davefrmmrfy · Post by **davefrmmrfy** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:31 pm

Big story on the news last night about Dallas Police not being able to get enough ammo. I bet the supply availablilty increases after Sept 1...

mr surveyor · Post by **mr surveyor** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:38 pm

davefrmmrfy wrote:Big story on the news last night about Dallas Police not being able to get enough ammo. I bet the supply availablilty increases after Sept 1...

I bet you are very correct!

Renegade · Post by **Renegade** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:58 pm

Ammo has been going up for 2 years now, you can get anything you want, you just have to pay more than a few years ago.

propellerhead · Post by **propellerhead** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:57 pm

I needed some floss today. So I went to Walmart and bought:

4 boxes of CCI Blazer Brass .40 at $7.57 each
2 boxes of CCI Blazer Brass .45 at $9.47 each
1 2-pack of batteries for my tac light
and some floss.

All for a total of $71.42.

:)

mr surveyor · Post by **mr surveyor** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:19 pm

Renegade wrote:Ammo has been going up for 2 years now, you can get anything you want, you just have to pay more than a few years ago.

yep, but I don't remember any of my dealer friends, or other sales people telling me about the manufacturer "letters" until the last 3-4 weeks.
Two years ago we were buying Blazer aluminum 9mm for $3.86 per box at academy... and the last 3 months (before the price increase "notices") the same low end ammo is $5.86 - $6.86. Most all other ammo has been near the same price increase percentage for the last 2 years. So, why now are the manufacturers warning their distributers of a 15% (average) increase in all ammo.

It's been rather apparant for the last several years that the third world countries (at our urging) have finally decided to enter the 20th century and install electricity and indoor plumbing. Considering the billions of people in this world that are entering the 20th century, we will certainly see some major increases in the price of copper, brass (copper/tin), lead, aluminum and other metals. Our ammunition costs are just the tip of the iceberg. Which brings up the impending cost increase in meat, bread, beer, and many, many other products, either directly or indirectly related to production of corn... but that's a whole different market related matter

govnor · Post by **govnor** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:53 pm

Hrm...time to stock up again. Or learn how to reload, which I want to do anyway.

lrb111 · Post by **lrb111** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:25 pm

govnor wrote:Hrm...time to stock up again. Or learn how to reload, which I want to do anyway.

Stock up And reload. The way prices are going it might be that buying loaded ammo at the best prices now, could end up cheaper than the reloading prices in January.

badkarma56 · Post by **badkarma56** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:36 am

Get your ammo NOW, dudettes and dudes! I've been trying to stock-up for the last few months, and strike a balance between consumption and supply...that's always tough!

Unfortunately, the calibers that I use regularly are "military" calibers (i.e., 5.56mm, 9mm, and .45 ACP), and most of the current mil-spec production in these calibers gets shipped directly to the "sandbox" and the "rockbox" (i.e., Iraq and Afghanistan respectively). I understand this, of course. As a result, I'm left with buying mostly low-power/sedate commercial loads for range trips.

I'm trying to sit on my "good stuff" until times get better.

It used to be the case that these calibers were the easiest to shop for with all of the surplus stock that was on the market. However, the war effort and certain governmental regulations have really dried up the affordable stuff.

If I had the space, I'd be reloading for sure...

RHZig · Post by **RHZig** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:30 pm

Gas prices at work!

HankB · Post by **HankB** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:57 pm

badkarma56 wrote: . . . "military" calibers (i.e., 5.56mm, 9mm, and .45 ACP), and most of the current mil-spec production in these calibers gets shipped directly to the "sandbox" and the "rockbox" (i.e., Iraq and Afghanistan respectively)...

There must be billions of rounds involved . . .

HOW MANY rounds are being fired for each bad guy killed?

I understand that a lot of ammo is expended in training and suppressive fire, but just out of curiosity, I wonder how the number of rounds per enemy casualty in Iraq/Afghanistan today compares to the numbers posted during WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc. . . .

Any ideas?

nuparadigm · Post by **nuparadigm** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:30 pm

HankB wrote: . . .

HOW MANY rounds are being fired for each bad guy killed?

I understand that a lot of ammo is expended in training and suppressive fire, but just out of curiosity, I wonder how the number of rounds per enemy casualty in Iraq/Afghanistan today compares to the numbers posted during WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc. . . .

Any ideas?

The following:
"In WWI the average was 20,000 rds per kill.
By the time Vietnam war took place the ratio increased to 40,000 per kill. Sniper is right about the 1.77 per rd kill ration for snipers.
Some reports say that in the Iraq war the ratio is approx 90,000 per kill, however I feel its an over estimate taken by assuming 20,000 insurgents against discharge of 1.8 billion rds of 5.56mm ammo."

comes from this:
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/war-ir ... led-2.html

Whether this has anything to do with industrial price fixing on the price of ammunition or components is open to question.

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:34 pm

It's laying on a table at the range just now and I can't quote prices specfically, but do recall there are some pretty good deals in the Bass Pro "hunting season" flyer that recently hit the mailbox.

The best deal I recall for .40 pistol shooters was the 500 round of blocks of UMC FMJ for about $7.75 per 50. Oddly enough 9mm was the same price. Winchester 9mm was around $13.50 per 100.