when to return fire

[kmagnum]

In attending a gathering of any size, do you wait for gunfire or is jut noticing a person waveing around an AR15 or similar weapon
cause to pull your weapon.

[The Annoyed Man]

In attending a gathering of any size, do you wait for gunfire or is jut noticing a person waveing around an AR15 or similar weapon
cause to pull your weapon.

With all due respect, please tell me that you're not trolling this question. Would you draw down on a Open Carry Texas demonstrator walking along with a AR15?

Until you hear gunfire, your personal weapon is for DEFENSE, not OFFENSE. Once you hear/see someone shooting, use your best judgement. What did they teach you in your CHL class?

[Middle Age Russ]

Your question is too lacking in the details of the circumstances to frame a reasonable answer. In fact, it seems an unreasonable question at first glance. Based on the title one has to suppose that someone has fired a gun, but the question then mentions the act of simply brandishing a gun. I simply don't know enough about the circumstances of this "gathering of any size" to be able to respond to the question from the personal, moral, or legal perspective.

[oljames3]

In attending a gathering of any size, do you wait for gunfire or is jut noticing a person waveing around an AR15 or similar weapon
cause to pull your weapon.

Short Answer:
Texas Penal Code Title 2, Chapter 9, Subchapter C. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/S ... m/PE.9.htm
"Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery. "
As with all Texas statutes, read the full text.

Longer Answer:
If indicted, the judge and/or jury will use the "reasonable person" standard. When I reasonably believe "the deadly force is immediately necessary" to "to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery," I will act.

Simply "pulling" your weapon is not necessarily deadly force.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu-ShQ7 ... ypIVkDpEbY

[C-dub]

This kind of question with the OP's first and only post so far? Probability is high that this is a troll.

[The Annoyed Man]

This kind of question with the OP's first and only post so far? Probability is high that this is a troll.

Absolutely it is. I just had the following PM exchange with him. He contact me first:

no worries Unless the chl holeer is fireing into a crowd.

That wasn't your original question. You're original question was:

In attending a gathering of any size, do you wait for gunfire or is jut noticing a person waveing around an AR15 or similar weapon cause to pull your weapon.

"CHL" has nothing to do with whether or not you observe someone waving a "AR15 or something similar weapon" around. Your response to me in private is kind of disturbing, so I think I'll share it along with my reply on the public thread. I'm predicting that you'll be banned shortly.

And with that, I think the moderators should intervene here. I'll report the thread.

[AJSully421]

This kind of question with the OP's first and only post so far? Probability is high that this is a troll.

I'll bet $1 this is a troll from "Hausfraus demand helpless victims", or the drive-by media. I guess that they want for us to say that we will shoot on sight so they can show how trigger happy we are. Or they are waiting for someone to mention if the guy is wearing a shemagh or yelling "aloha snackbar" so they can label all of us as racists.

That and you tipped your hand with the "waveing [sic] around an AR15". Those of us who are legitimately in the gun community don't talk about legal carry of rifles in such an overly dramatic way. That, and have you ever tried to "wave around" a 35" long rifle... not nearly as easy as simply slinging it over your shoulder.

You are dismissed.

[RoyGBiv]

"Hausfraus demand helpless victims"

Thanks for the lachen.

[Javier730]

After you have been hit a minimum of 4 times or 3 if you have been mozambiqued. Id play it safe with 4 though, you want to be sure your justified.

[ScottDLS]

Waiting to be reminded to be kind to newbies and not call them trolls or respond w/ sarcasm <---ScottDLS

[Bitter Clinger]

After you have been hit a minimum of 4 times or 3 if you have been mozambiqued. Id play it safe with 4 though, you want to be sure your justified.

"Overkill is underrated"

[The Annoyed Man]

This thread isn't locked yet? LOL

[LSUTiger]

Waiting to be reminded to be kind to newbies and not call them trolls or respond w/ sarcasm <---ScottDLS

Well to be perfectly honest, I've helped a few family members who have finally seen the stupidity of their hoplophobia. In their re-education process initially I had to contend with trollish type questions due to their long exposure to government and media propaganda and political correctness.

In order to get their minds right I had to get them to flush out all they knew, thought they knew or were brainwashed to believe. I then replaced their warped mindset with Truth and Righteousness.

As of today, I have coached/converted 3 persons from brainwashed zombies hoplophobes to a gun owner/CHL holder, a gun owner and CHL in progress and soon to be gun owner and future CHL holder. There is a process of conversion. Takes a little time, but berating sincere idiots doesn't help.

Trolls out themselves in time.

[Ruark]

But this does raise an interesting question, one that I've thought of frequently. When can you assume that using deadly force is justified BEFORE any shots are fired? Say you're sitting in the Food Court in a mall and you see some creepy-looking guy raising a 1911. Or you're at an office Christmas party in San Bernardino and one of your coworkers walks in holding an AR. Are you going to whip out your Glock and start blasting?