locke_n_load wrote:The verbage on the 30.06 sign changed as well, so all old signs will be noncompliant.
On January 1 and a long time thereafter, I wonder how many CCers will stroll right past those newly invalidated signs, starting all kinds of problems. I wonder if police are being taught that they can't arrest people for violating the current 30.06 sign. I wonder if the police will be getting a flurry of phone calls from hysterical business owners complaining that some guy with a gun ignored their "official sign" and if dispatcher training has covered this topic.
It's clear, and has been for some time, that many businesses don't know squat about what a 30.06 sign is, what its requirements are to be valid, etc. We all see invalid 30.06 signs all the time, even those silly gunbuster decals. I'm sure HUGE numbers of businesses will have no clue that their signs are suddenly invalid as of 1/1/16, and a year later they'll still be posted.
There will definitely be a spike in MWAG calls, but only for open carry. No one is going to be able to tell people are concealed carrying past noncompliant signs anymore than they can tell if people are carrying past the currently compliant ones. As they say, concealed means concealed.
I'm sure there will be a substantial uptick in people carrying past the soon to be noncompliant signs, and the average business owner is unlikely to realize that their sign is technically out of compliance.
locke_n_load wrote:The verbage on the 30.06 sign changed as well, so all old signs will be noncompliant.
I wonder how many CCers will stroll right past those newly invalidated signs, starting all kinds of problems.
No one is going to be able to tell people are concealed carrying past noncompliant signs anymore than they can tell if people are carrying past the currently compliant ones. As they say, concealed means concealed.
You're right, I didn't think about that. The 30.06 sign, old OR new, won't apply to OC.
casp625 wrote:
Except you missed the relevant part AFTER that:
Yes, good point. I stand corrected. The written communication is very specific. Oral on the other hand appears to have much more leeway. I do seem to recall from the Instructor class that we were told that if there was any indication that a business was not ok with concealed carry, it might be best to avoid carrying in that establishment all together.
That is the logic I try to subscribe to. If you don't like my guns, you must not like my money either.
Also from what I can gather a single 30.06 sign is enough but 30.07 needs to be at each entrance. Of course if you go into an entrance that didn't have a 30.06 and didn't know it was posted you are I guess in compliance. I think that if there is a gunbuster sign only though ( why do we say illegal gunbuster? ) that you can not enter with a rifle or shotgun but short of having a 30.06 or 30.07 you can enter with open or concealed if you have a LTC. Correct me if I am wrong.
There is a sign at a Valero Gas station near CanyonLlake that says, no guns allowed. The sign is located just behind a palate of water. You have a 6 inch space between the water and glass where it is posted.
I don't think this is a official Valero store but one of those that just rents the name from Valero.
They never change the palate they just keep adding cases of water.
It is the only sign I can find in my area.
Pawpaw wrote:The difference in verbiage is a nit too small for me to pick.
To be honest, I don't stop to read the signs. I see "Section 30.06" & "Subchapter H, Chapter 411" and if the letters look close to 1" tall, I don't carry. Now if the letters look 1/2" or smaller, I'll carry right past it. I figure that someone was trying to cheat the system and not post the "big ugly sign".
I feel it is my responsiblity as an instructor to teach the right verbage!!
I agree you should!
Sorry, I was going through unread posts and didn't realized I had stumbled into the Instructor's Corner.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. - John Adams
Gun buster signs can prohibit rifle/shotgun carry, but they mean nothing to someone carrying a pistol with an LTC.
30.06/30.07 must be the exact verbiage to carry the force of law.
If someone with authority for a business asks you to leave and you don't, then you have broken the law (no specific verbiage is stated for verbal notification, a simple "hey, we don't allow guns in here" is sufficient).
CHL Holder since 10/08
NRA Certified Instructor
Former LTC Instructor
Remember guys, starting 1/1, walking past a 30.06 or 30.07 sign is just a class C misdemeanor - it will NOT cost you your LTC. :)
The Moms Against Guns wanted 2 things last session: Too stop OC and to get rid of 'strict' 30.06 signs. They wanted gun buster signs to be effective. When the lege looked at 30.06 and realized that walking past one was a Class A, they LOWERED it to a C. :)
Thanks and Gig 'em! 
