Since it is called a "Handgun license", it is grammatically correct to refer to a "Licensed handgun." A licensed handgun would be a legal handgun carried by a person licensed to carry it.
No, as an MA in English (UC Irvine) "handgun license" has no grammatical reference or bearing to "licensed handgun." Really? Seriously? What planet are you from?
I'm not for: Whiners who can't accept that businesses have a right to say "NO" to OC.
LOL! ^^^^^ What this gentleman said.
I do not think businesses who take government money (corporate government "cheese"), have the right to deny. Government entities not specifically exempted, are forbidden from posting 30.06 or 30.07 signs. These government entities should not be able to circumvent the law by outsourcing to private organizations.
HEB, for instance, takes municipal utility payments, sells stamps, and in some locations sells Hunting and fishing licenses (along with other things). Not to mention millions of dollars made through the food stamp program. I am not so sure they should be allowed to post the signs. Courts have already ruled on other such laws, and upheld that such businesses that fulfill government functions are bound by regulations that restrict government agencies.
I'm not for: Whiners who can't accept that businesses have a right to say "NO" to OC.
LOL! ^^^^^ What this gentleman said.
I do not think businesses who take government money (corporate government "cheese"), have the right to deny. Government entities not specifically exempted, are forbidden from posting 30.06 or 30.07 signs. These government entities should not be able to circumvent the law by outsourcing to private organizations.
HEB, for instance, takes municipal utility payments, sells stamps, and in some locations sells Hunting and fishing licenses (along with other things). Not to mention millions of dollars made through the food stamp program. I am not so sure they should be allowed to post the signs. Courts have already ruled on other such laws, and upheld that such businesses that fulfill government functions are bound by regulations that restrict government agencies.
Then using your logic, they sell stamps, so they are like a post office, therefore you shouldn't be able to carry there at all!
Mel
Airworthiness Inspector specializing in Experimental and Light-Sport Aircraft since the last Century.
I'm not for: Whiners who can't accept that businesses have a right to say "NO" to OC.
LOL! ^^^^^ What this gentleman said.
I do not think businesses who take government money (corporate government "cheese"), have the right to deny. Government entities not specifically exempted, are forbidden from posting 30.06 or 30.07 signs. These government entities should not be able to circumvent the law by outsourcing to private organizations.
HEB, for instance, takes municipal utility payments, sells stamps, and in some locations sells Hunting and fishing licenses (along with other things). Not to mention millions of dollars made through the food stamp program. I am not so sure they should be allowed to post the signs. Courts have already ruled on other such laws, and upheld that such businesses that fulfill government functions are bound by regulations that restrict government agencies.
The proper extension of the logic would be none of these "Private" colleges banning concealed carry should be able to considering almost all of their income is government sponsored.
LSUTiger wrote:Under the same line of thought as the shirt, I had a conversation with some anti-gun idiot over HEB's choosing not to allow OC. I said they would lose my business. I will just go to Kroger which is actually closer to my house.
He said "good bye, don't let the door hit you in the butt". Then I told him, they will still allow concealed carry, people with guns will still be all around you just as they always have, just you won't be able to see them. Happy shopping morons.
Are these anti OC nuts really that clueless?
I shop at Kroger too. I appreciate their not posting signs on OC or CC. I wish more business had their attitude on this. I do wonder, however, if their attitude would change concerning OC if they started getting complaints from customers about people shopping there openly displaying firearms?
If they think it impacts the bottom line, they will change
I'm not for: Whiners who can't accept that businesses have a right to say "NO" to OC.
LOL! ^^^^^ What this gentleman said.
I do not think businesses who take government money (corporate government "cheese"), have the right to deny. Government entities not specifically exempted, are forbidden from posting 30.06 or 30.07 signs. These government entities should not be able to circumvent the law by outsourcing to private organizations.
HEB, for instance, takes municipal utility payments, sells stamps, and in some locations sells Hunting and fishing licenses (along with other things). Not to mention millions of dollars made through the food stamp program. I am not so sure they should be allowed to post the signs. Courts have already ruled on other such laws, and upheld that such businesses that fulfill government functions are bound by regulations that restrict government agencies.
Comparing a governmental entity with a grocery store that sells postage stamps is a stretch. I strongly doubt that the government is trying to circumvent handgun laws by using HEB to sell postage stamps. Sorry, my imagination is not that elastic.
I'm not for: Whiners who can't accept that businesses have a right to say "NO" to OC.
LOL! ^^^^^ What this gentleman said.
I do not think businesses who take government money (corporate government "cheese"), have the right to deny. Government entities not specifically exempted, are forbidden from posting 30.06 or 30.07 signs. These government entities should not be able to circumvent the law by outsourcing to private organizations.
HEB, for instance, takes municipal utility payments, sells stamps, and in some locations sells Hunting and fishing licenses (along with other things). Not to mention millions of dollars made through the food stamp program. I am not so sure they should be allowed to post the signs. Courts have already ruled on other such laws, and upheld that such businesses that fulfill government functions are bound by regulations that restrict government agencies.
Comparing a governmental entity with a grocery store that sells postage stamps is a stretch. I strongly doubt that the government is trying to circumvent handgun laws by using HEB to sell postage stamps. Sorry, my imagination is not that elastic.
If it were just that, then no. But HEB makes millions in government money every year, from a variety of things. They are the OFFICIAL bill pay location of 10 different City municipalities in Texas, they sell Hunting and Fishing licenses, take payments for various city services, and receive millions of dollars from citizens in the form of Food Stamps.
Havensdad wrote:
If it were just that, then no. But HEB makes millions in government money every year, from a variety of things. They are the OFFICIAL bill pay location of 10 different City municipalities in Texas, they sell Hunting and Fishing licenses, take payments for various city services, and receive millions of dollars from citizens in the form of Food Stamps.
They make no money on many of the services you listed. As for food stamps, people have to get their groceries somewhere. It's not like we want a state run grocery store... that would be a horrible waste.
Havensdad wrote:
If it were just that, then no. But HEB makes millions in government money every year, from a variety of things. They are the OFFICIAL bill pay location of 10 different City municipalities in Texas, they sell Hunting and Fishing licenses, take payments for various city services, and receive millions of dollars from citizens in the form of Food Stamps.
They make no money on many of the services you listed. As for food stamps, people have to get their groceries somewhere. It's not like we want a state run grocery store... that would be a horrible waste.
They absolutely do make money from these services. Where are you getting your information?
Havensdad wrote:
If it were just that, then no. But HEB makes millions in government money every year, from a variety of things. They are the OFFICIAL bill pay location of 10 different City municipalities in Texas, they sell Hunting and Fishing licenses, take payments for various city services, and receive millions of dollars from citizens in the form of Food Stamps.
They make no money on many of the services you listed. As for food stamps, people have to get their groceries somewhere. It's not like we want a state run grocery store... that would be a horrible waste.
They absolutely do make money from these services. Where are you getting your information?
At best they recoup their cost. These services may even be a loss-leader. I truly don't know. But I doubt it's a profit driver.
None of us has any information whatsoever about HEB's cost/profit structure or motives in offering all these government connected services.
It would be interesting to find out how many Legislators have ever taken a college English course, let alone passed any, let alone a Masters Degree in English.
Bills are passed or not by votes, the ebb and flow of support or opposition, which is neither historically or logically based on logic, especially at the Lege. The specific provisions are almost always fashioned in the crucible of compromise, often enthusiastically and bitterly debated, and more so when controversial.
Sometimes these threads resemble a Monty Python sketch, entertaining but scarcely informative or enlightening, and occasionally bringing to mind the old logical saw about an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of ahhh, keyboards.
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
Breny414 wrote:...yes, we monkeys will eventually type the complete works of Shakespeare given enough time.
I ran into an old coot some years ago who claimed to be head of the sociology department at a midwestern university which doubtless wants to remain anonymous who told me the Internet had been put up by the government to test that logical theory after they had found that monkeys refused to waste their lives banging away at typewriters (keyboards for you youngsters who have no idea what a typewriter is) and could not be incentivized to do so reliably, but humans could.
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
HEB is pro-gun. HEB thinks OC or the publicity around OC is not good for the grocery business. And they made their decision. Going after / boycotting HEB is wasted effort. There are real battles to be fought. HEB is not the enemy.
I'm done with the HEB threads. Heading to HEB for New Year's Eve snacks.
