School Sponsored Activities?

[jkurtz]

I know that carrying is prohibited while participating in a school sponsored activity, but does that apply to college events or just K-12?

I attend TCU and we have a partnership with UNT in which the health science majors participate in inter-professional education activities. One such activity is called Seniors Assisting in Geriatric Education (SAGE). Part of the program requires teams of 4, each with a different health major, to perform home health visits for seniors within the Fort Worth area.

Would the SAGE program be considered a school sponsored activity in which carry is prohibited? If so, how will that change after August 1, 2016 when SB11 goes into effect? Being a public school, UNT students will be allowed to CC (with varies exceptions). However, TCU opted out of SB11, therefor prohibiting CC.

All opinions are appreciated.

[oohrah]

I work at a private university and also participate in off-campus school sponsored activities with students.

Until August 2016, my read is that by law, you cannot carry -period-, if you are a participant in any school sponsored activity held anywhere. If you are off-campus, someone else not involved would not be affected (like at a zoo or something).

After August, my read is that K-12 is still off limits, of course, but universities must post 30.06 on their premises and property to prohibit concealed carry. Private schools can post everything they want, and public schools can have limited bans.

Your SAGE program certainly sounds like a school sponsored activity. But after August, I don't see how a university (public or private) could enforce 30.06 at school activities off campus. To me, that means even a private university that has opted out, could not enforce 30.06 on their students or faculty for activities off-campus.

However, a private university could extend their opt out ban to the student and faculty conduct rules, and you could be censured for carrying at a school sponsored activity off-campus (but not charged with a crime)

My personal opinions.

[ScottDLS]

I work at a private university and also participate in off-campus school sponsored activities with students.

Until August 2016, my read is that by law, you cannot carry -period-, if you are a participant in any school sponsored activity held anywhere. If you are off-campus, someone else not involved would not be affected (like at a zoo or something).

After August, my read is that K-12 is still off limits, of course, but universities must post 30.06 on their premises and property to prohibit concealed carry. Private schools can post everything they want, and public schools can have limited bans.

Your SAGE program certainly sounds like a school sponsored activity. But after August, I don't see how a university (public or private) could enforce 30.06 at school activities off campus. To me, that means even a private university that has opted out, could not enforce 30.06 on their students or faculty for activities off-campus.

However, a private university could extend their opt out ban to the student and faculty conduct rules, and you could be censured for carrying at a school sponsored activity off-campus (but not charged with a crime)

My personal opinions.

Charles has stated in the past that he believes that the school sponsored activities are off limits only to the extent that the school controls the property...i.e. not effective for off campus events. He stated this was his interpretation and cautioned people not to rely on it as legal advice. I think the case is even more clear for university activities after August, since they are relying on 30.06 to prohibit carry...and clearly control of the property would be with the owner.

[Scott in Houston]

I'm not sure about legally, whether you'd get in trouble, but you would almost certainly get reprimanded by your university, TCU.
So weigh your personal safety and low odds of being discovered with the odds of getting in trouble with TCU.
I'd likely carry, but that's assuming that it wouldn't be a felony if discovered.

Take my opinion with a grain of salt as well, because I would consider getting kicked out of TCU a blessing.