Illegal to carry long-arms in vehicle?

[mr surveyor]

liberalism at it's fullest

[McKnife]

UPDATE:

I confronted the sales KID about it... and he refused to believe me (because my print-out of the laws didn't say specifically that we CAN carry a long-arm concealed) and he refused to buy me a box of ammo.

Some people just don't get it.

Maybe a letter to Management informing them that their sales team is discouraging sales of long-arms due to negligent and incorrect knowledge of weapon laws of Texas.

This is one of the reasons I avoid gun shops. I just want to look and touch, NO TALK! ArGH!

[txinvestigator]

UPDATE:

I confronted the sales KID about it... and he refused to believe me (because my print-out of the laws didn't say specifically that we CAN carry a long-arm concealed) and he refused to buy me a box of ammo.

Some people just don't get it.

Maybe a letter to Management informing them that their sales team is discouraging sales of long-arms due to negligent and incorrect knowledge of weapon laws of Texas.

This is one of the reasons I avoid gun shops. I just want to look and touch, NO TALK! ArGH!

Tell the kid the law does not specifically say that he can walk down the street either.

[Will938]

Just got back from Academy today and the young guy at the gun bar told me something that had me very surprised and I'm 99% sure he is incorrect.

[ He insisted that carrying a long-arm (shotgun or rifle) in your vehicle is ONLY LEGAL if it is in the open, like on top of the passenger seat or window rack. Carrying a long-arm in your vehicle concealed is illegal (under seat, in tool box). ]

This kid has to be wrong but I couldn't cite the exact law or code (I think its chapter 46?)...can someone please help me kind the exact laws and text in the Penal Code?

Many thanks.

You went to the Academy in Houston off 1960 and Westheimer didn't you

I was there with a friend the other week, we were walking to the gun counter when the CSR brought some sort of lever action rifle to bear at my chest as I rounded the isle. I did my best bullet time impression trying to get out of the way. Then as we were waiting for some service he was helping two guys next to us, telling them the legalities of long arms in your car, it was the exact same bull. My friend and I kind of looked at each other like "... lol right" and let him continue on.

A very odd trip to Academy

[Will938]

That effectively prohibits you from carrying ANY lock blade in SA. City law makes those up to 5 1/2 inches illegal, and state law makes those over 5 1/2 inches illegal. The loophole is that a blade that IS 5 1/2 inches is not illegal under either law.

This is absolutely the best math lesson ever taught. I guess they should of taken more algebra.

If x > 5.5" then x = illegal
If x < 5.5" then x = illegal
If x = 5.5" then x = skating the law, lol

Seriously, hilariously awesome.

[hirundo82]

There may be cities or towns that have ordinances against carrying of loaded guns in the city limits. I think San Antonio, Texas is one of those with ordinances banning loaded long guns in the city limits. Below is the city code regarding carrying loaded firearms and knives in San Antonio from http://www.municode.com/resources/gatew ... 508&sid=43

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Sec. 21-16. Carrying loaded rifle or shotgun.
It shall be unlawful for any person, other than duly authorized peace officers, to carry a loaded rifle or shotgun on any public street within the city or in a motor vehicle while the same is being operated on any public street within the city.
(Code 1959, § 26-28)
Cross references: Regulation of firearms and weapons, § 21-151 et seq.

Sec. 21-17. Certain knives prohibited generally; exceptions; penalty for violation.
(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to intentionally or knowingly carry on or about his person a knife with a blade less than five and one-half (5 1/2) inches in length, which knife is equipped with a lock mechanism so that upon opening, it becomes a fixed blade knife.

Hoppes

did I read this right??? Unlawful to carry a lock blade knife with a blade less than 5-1/2 inches???? Does this mean that even the 2 dollar 1-1/2 inch lock blade knives...or all lock blade knives are illegal in SA??

That effectively prohibits you from carrying ANY lock blade in SA. City law makes those up to 5 1/2 inches illegal, and state law makes those over 5 1/2 inches illegal. The loophole is that a blade that IS 5 1/2 inches is not illegal under either law.

I also can't find anything in the city code prohibiting carry of a fixed blade (conforming to state law of course).

[mr surveyor]

There may be cities or towns that have ordinances against carrying of loaded guns in the city limits. I think San Antonio, Texas is one of those with ordinances banning loaded long guns in the city limits. Below is the city code regarding carrying loaded firearms and knives in San Antonio from http://www.municode.com/resources/gatew ... 508&sid=43

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Sec. 21-16. Carrying loaded rifle or shotgun.
It shall be unlawful for any person, other than duly authorized peace officers, to carry a loaded rifle or shotgun on any public street within the city or in a motor vehicle while the same is being operated on any public street within the city.
(Code 1959, § 26-28)
Cross references: Regulation of firearms and weapons, § 21-151 et seq.

Sec. 21-17. Certain knives prohibited generally; exceptions; penalty for violation.
(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to intentionally or knowingly carry on or about his person a knife with a blade less than five and one-half (5 1/2) inches in length, which knife is equipped with a lock mechanism so that upon opening, it becomes a fixed blade knife.

Hoppes

did I read this right??? Unlawful to carry a lock blade knife with a blade less than 5-1/2 inches???? Does this mean that even the 2 dollar 1-1/2 inch lock blade knives...or all lock blade knives are illegal in SA??

That effectively prohibits you from carrying ANY lock blade in SA. City law makes those up to 5 1/2 inches illegal, and state law makes those over 5 1/2 inches illegal. The loophole is that a blade that IS 5 1/2 inches is not illegal under either law.

I also can't find anything in the city code prohibiting carry of a fixed blade (conforming to state law of course).

so, are you saying that according to SA City Code that carrying a fixed blade knife within the limits of State Code would not be prohibited in SA, where all but "exactly 5-1/2 inch" folding lock blade knives ( ) would be prohibited?

[Xander]

Sec. 21-17. Certain knives prohibited generally; exceptions; penalty for violation.
(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to intentionally or knowingly carry on or about his person a knife with a blade less than five and one-half (5 1/2) inches in length, which knife is equipped with a lock mechanism so that upon opening, it becomes a fixed blade knife.

Hoppes

I also can't find anything in the city code prohibiting carry of a fixed blade (conforming to state law of course).

It's right there in Hoppes' quote. Section 21-17 of the San Antonio municipal code.

-Xander

[KBCraig]

Sec. 21-17. Certain knives prohibited generally; exceptions; penalty for violation.
(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to intentionally or knowingly carry on or about his person a knife with a blade less than five and one-half (5 1/2) inches in length, which knife is equipped with a lock mechanism so that upon opening, it becomes a fixed blade knife.

Hoppes

I also can't find anything in the city code prohibiting carry of a fixed blade (conforming to state law of course).

It's right there in Hoppes' quote. Section 21-17 of the San Antonio municipal code.

No, that is for locking folders: "equipped with a lock mechanism so that upon opening, it becomes a fixed blade knife."

[NguyenVanDon]

UPDATE:

I confronted the sales KID about it... and he refused to believe me (because my print-out of the laws didn't say specifically that we CAN carry a long-arm concealed) and he refused to buy me a box of ammo.

Some people just don't get it.

Maybe a letter to Management informing them that their sales team is discouraging sales of long-arms due to negligent and incorrect knowledge of weapon laws of Texas.

This is one of the reasons I avoid gun shops. I just want to look and touch, NO TALK! ArGH!

You should go back to Academy and give him the link to this thread. We want to hear what he has to say about the carry of long rifles. He will lose the debate IMO and you will get your box of ammo

[Xander]

It's right there in Hoppes' quote. Section 21-17 of the San Antonio municipal code.

No, that is for locking folders: "equipped with a lock mechanism so that upon opening, it becomes a fixed blade knife."

Of course you're right...I misread the question badly. Mea culpa.

-Xander