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The issues I experienced happened when they were over two years old. The problem is that the stitch holes are so close together that they act like a perforation line after the holster has been worn extensively which causes the outer panel to flex against the stitches. Even when it starts to tear, it still looks fine - until something pulls or pushes the gun just a little against the outer panel and the separation becomes obvious. Even the one that was torn to the point that it dropped the gun on the floor still looked fine to casual observation afterwards.Jose_in_Dallas wrote:First I've heard of it and I've haven't had issues with it although I've only had it a year. I can provide better pictures if necessary but there are no issues like this that I have experienced.
If there's no stress on the stitching they may hold up OK. In my situation I wore them at 5:00 with a 1911. Sitting in a car or an upholstered chair, the butt would be pressed a bit forward in the holster and put stress on the front vertical stitching. Over time this flexing caused breakage of the kydex between the stitch holes, starting at the top and working its way down. The effect is similar to metal fatigue. When this was happening, it still looked fine - it was only detectable if you either pushed the gun forward in the holster or pulled on the front side of the holster.The Annoyed Man wrote:I have a FIST holster, OWB, for a J-frame snubbie. They are well made kit.
I'll have to upload a picture later (going to my son's graduation ceremony this morning), but I don't think my FIST OWB holster has any kydex in it. It is all leather, and a very nicely made holster, with triple stitching. It goes without saying that I not only haven't worn it as much as you wore yours as an LEO, but I'm not likely to either. But it seems at least as well made as any of the other good leather holsters I own. No doubt that's why kydex is used so often for more extreme applications. But for just EDC for the average LTC, I've no doubt that the all leather OWB holster will be just as long lasting as any other brands.Excaliber wrote:If there's no stress on the stitching they may hold up OK. In my situation I wore them at 5:00 with a 1911. Sitting in a car or an upholstered chair, the butt would be pressed a bit forward in the holster and put stress on the front vertical stitching. Over time this flexing caused breakage of the kydex between the stitch holes, starting at the top and working its way down. The effect is similar to metal fatigue. When this was happening, it still looked fine - it was only detectable if you either pushed the gun forward in the holster or pulled on the front side of the holster.The Annoyed Man wrote:I have a FIST holster, OWB, for a J-frame snubbie. They are well made kit.
I haven't worn a FIST OWB since the second failure, but I sill use their pocket holsters.
If you're carrying a J-frame with the original small round grips, the situation may never occur because the grips may not be pressed forward when sitting in a car or upholstered chair, but it's a situation to be aware of. I would suggest giving a light pull on the front side of the holster from time to time just to make sure the seam is still secure.
Absolutely correct - I agree.The Annoyed Man wrote:Excaliber wrote:I'll have to upload a picture later (going to my son's graduation ceremony this morning), but I don't think my FIST OWB holster has any kydex in it. It is all leather, and a very nicely made holster, with triple stitching. It goes without saying that I not only haven't worn it as much as you wore yours as an LEO, but I'm not likely to either. But it seems at least as well made as any of the other good leather holsters I own. No doubt that's why kydex is used so often for more extreme applications. But for just EDC for the average LTC, I've no doubt that the all leather OWB holster will be just as long lasting as any other brands.The Annoyed Man wrote:I have a FIST holster, OWB, for a J-frame snubbie. They are well made kit.[/quo
If there's no stress on the stitching they may hold up OK. In my situation I wore them at 5:00 with a 1911. Sitting in a car or an upholstered chair, the butt would be pressed a bit forward in the holster and put stress on the front vertical stitching. Over time this flexing caused breakage of the kydex between the stitch holes, starting at the top and working its way down. The effect is similar to metal fatigue. When this was happening, it still looked fine - it was only detectable if you either pushed the gun forward in the holster or pulled on the front side of the holster.
I haven't worn a FIST OWB since the second failure, but I sill use their pocket holsters.
If you're carrying a J-frame with the original small round grips, the situation may never occur because the grips may not be pressed forward when sitting in a car or upholstered chair, but it's a situation to be aware of. I would suggest giving a light pull on the front side of the holster from time to time just to make sure the seam is still secure.