puma guy wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:01 am
[Remington's management took an arrogant approach regarding Marlin employees' ability over Rem's; basically the CEO inferred monkeys could do the job and as a result only about 200 Marlin employees were offered relocation, most to a different plant not involved in lever guns and they were let go after a couple of years.Remington wouldn't allow Marlin employees to help in removing, transporting and reinstalling equipment to the Ilion plant. Remington dropped a 10 ton piece of equipment that made barrels. It is true that the lever guns require skilled fit and finish ability and the Marlin folks tried to transfer their knowledge and for whatever reason that just didn't get through. Many of the problems with Remlins are just basic poor workmanship. Leaving coarse machining marks, metal filings, misaligned and canted barrels, non perpendicular sight dovetails, poor wood to metal fit. And poor quality control that allows them to leave the factory in the first place. Those type errors don't require a drawing to prevent them. My take, from what I was told, is there were people at Marlin who's skill put them in a position to make the lever guns and Remington wanted to produce them as cheaply as possible and thought no real skill was necessary. I think that's why any lever rifle they send out now is hit or miss depending on a particular individual's abilities and pride. The Model 39 .22 lever guns were dropped as a standard item, since they took even more skill in manufacturing and only the best craftsman produce them now as a custom item now.
This actually dovetails with most of what I’d heard. I don’t remember where I read the information about engineering drawings, but I remember that it was from someone who wasn’t favorably disposed to the way Remington handled the change. But overall, yes, Remington suffered from the conceit that they could build a good lever action without attention to the details of craftsmanship.
My own 336 is a case in point. It actually shot
well pretty much out of the box....but there were
issues. Wood to metal fit was poor. Stamped checkering wasn’t very good. The magazine tube fit was loose and canted off to one side. The OEM front sight wasn’t worth a cup of warm spit, and the rear wasn’t a whole lot better. The side loading gate was so stiff as to be unusable, turning the rifle into a single shot for all practical purposes. In other words, the barrel ...the heart of any rifle...was well made, and the lever action functioned as advertised and the trigger was acceptable. So function
was fine, but the execution was crap. For the roughly $650 I pad for the rifle, I should have gotten decent execution. I upgraded the sights, replaced the loading gate, and mounted a scope. I don’t count the cost of the scope ($599) or rings because I already owned it, But the upgraded iron sights were $180 from XS Sight Systems, and the upgraded loading gate was $42 direct from Ranger Point Precision. I didn’t have to pay a gunsmith for the loading gate installation because my son is a former gunsmith and did the work for me.
The magazine tube is still
wonkey to this day and always shoots loose. I can live with the rifle, and I enjoy shooting it, but I’m wondering if there isn’t an aftermarket clamp of some kind that will clamp the magazine tube to the barrel, instead of the pretty useless dovetailed stud system currently in use. I did a more detailed write up here: https://www.annoyedman.com/firearms/lev ... mlins.html
. You can see what I mean about the way the magazine tube attaches to the muzzle end with a dovetailed stud, if you zoom in to this picture:
I’d like to stick a clamp just aft of the front sight base.
Edited to add.... despite my complaints about the build quality of my Marlin, it remains one of my favorite rifles .... not so much because it’s a Marlin, but because it’s a lever action. If Henry ever comes out with a blued version of their side-loader, I’ll snap one up for sure.