HB 1839 10 year renewal

[player_twister]

I was checking for some specific traffic laws and found this at http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_s ... 82007a.pdf

HB 1839 requires concealed handgun license (CHL) holders to take a continuing education
course to renew their CHL every 10 years instead of every five years

Did I miss something along the way? Sorry if i missed any earlier posts on this, but i couldn't find anything in any earlier posts. Does this mean I don't have to renew for an extra 5 years? Please advise.

Thank you. And sorry if i missed something here.

[txinvestigator]

I was checking for some specific traffic laws and found this at http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_s ... 82007a.pdf

HB 1839 requires concealed handgun license (CHL) holders to take a continuing education
course to renew their CHL every 10 years instead of every five years

Did I miss something along the way? Sorry if i missed any earlier posts on this, but i couldn't find anything in any earlier posts. Does this mean I don't have to renew for an extra 5 years? Please advise.

Thank you. And sorry if i missed something here.

We have covered it, but the search feature is not working well.

You still have to renew every 5 years; however, after your 2nd RENEWAl, you only need a class and shooting requal every 10.

Texas Government Code
§ 411.183. Expiration.


(a) A license issued under this subchapter expires on the first birthday of the license holder occurring after the fourth anniversary of the date of issuance.
(b) A renewed license expires on the license holder's birthdate, five years after the date of the expiration of the previous license. (c) A duplicate license expires on the date the license that was duplicated would have expired.
(d) A modified license expires on the date the license that was modified would have expired.




411.185. Renewal.


(a) To renew a license, a license holder must:
(1) complete a continuing education course in handgun proficiency under Section 411.188(c) within the six-month period preceding:
(A) the date of application for renewal, for a first or second renewal; and
(B) the date of application for renewal or the date of application for the preceding renewal, for a third or subsequent renewal, to ensure that the license holder is not required to complete the course more than once in any 10-year period;
(2) obtain a handgun proficiency certificate under Section 411.189 within the six-month period preceding:
(A) the date of application for renewal, for a first or second renewal; and
(B) the date of application for renewal or the date of application for the preceding renewal, for a third or subsequent renewal, to ensure that the license holder is not required to obtain the certificate more than once in any 10-year period; and
(3) submit to the department:
(A) an application for renewal on a form provided by the department;
(B) a copy of the handgun proficiency certificate;
(C) payment of a nonrefundable renewal fee as set by the department; and
(D) two recent color passport photographs of the applicant.

[bpet]

There was a pretty good post on this back in August. Greybeard gave a pretty good summary as follows.

"Greybeard wrote: . . . .HB 1839 Training requirements for renewals
Provides that a renewal applicant must complete the required course in handgun proficiency, and obtain the otherwise required proficiency certificate, not more than once in any 10-year period . . . The "simplified" explanation was that, after Sept. 1, students on their 3'rd, 5'th, 7'th, etc. renewal would not have to take a renewal class or submit a new TR-100. Such students will supposedly be notified of same when given the written notice from DPS regarding their upcoming CHL expiration date and how to reapply."

Much discussion followed so you might want to do a search on HB 1839.

Edit: Sorry, txinvestigator got in before me. Didn't mean to contradict or confuse.

BTW My search feature works fine.

[seamusTX]

Would you parse this for me, because I honestly have never understood it:

GC §411.186. (2) obtain a handgun proficiency certificate under Section 411.189 within the six-month period preceding:
(A) the date of application for renewal, for a first or second renewal; and
(B) the date of application for renewal or the date of application for the preceding renewal, for a third or subsequent renewal, to ensure that the license holder is not required to obtain the certificate more
than once in any 10-year period;

To express this in different terms, can you fill in the blanks?

• Year 0: full course
• Year 5: renewal course with range qualification
• Year 10: renewal course with range qualification
• Year 15: _______________________________________?
• Year 20: _______________________________________?
• Year 25: _______________________________________?

- Jim

[txinvestigator]

Would you parse this for me, because I honestly have never understood it:

GC §411.186. (2) obtain a handgun proficiency certificate under Section 411.189 within the six-month period preceding:
(A) the date of application for renewal, for a first or second renewal; and
(B) the date of application for renewal or the date of application for the preceding renewal, for a third or subsequent renewal, to ensure that the license holder is not required to obtain the certificate more
than once in any 10-year period;

To express this in different terms, can you fill in the blanks?

• Year 0: full course
• Year 4 renewal course with range qualification
• Year 9: renewal course with range qualification
• Year 14: No course required; renewal app, pictures, fingerprints and affidavits required only
• Year 19: Renewal course
• Year 24:No course required; renewal app, pictures, fingerprints and affidavits required only

- Jim

[seamusTX]

Thank you. I nominate this thread as a sticky. Many people aren't going to think about it until renewal time comes around.

- Jim

[txinvestigator]

Thank you. I nominate this thread as a sticky. Many people aren't going to think about it until renewal time comes around.

- Jim

You're welcome. Of course I forgot the most important thing the state wants EVERY time.....$$$$$$

[mec]

Such students will supposedly be notified of same when given the written notice from DPS regarding their upcoming CHL

I have heard from a couple of people who have renewed steadily since the inception. they are receiving no notice with their renewal that they do not have to take the renewal course. Possibly DPS is not honoring this aspect of the law.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Such students will supposedly be notified of same when given the written notice from DPS regarding their upcoming CHL

I have heard from a couple of people who have renewed steadily since the inception. they are receiving no notice with their renewal that they do not have to take the renewal course. Possibly DPS is not honoring this aspect of the law.

DPS is going to follow the law on renewal requirements (they have no choice), but I was very disappointed to hear at CHL Instructor renewal school that they are not notifying people. Instead, they will provide that information only if a CHL calls in to check before renewing. I'll be candid and say that I don't like the "one class every 10 years" concept, as it means there will have been five legislative sessions between a CHL's renewal classes. I fear good people are going to inadvertently break the law because they didn't know it changed. (As a side note, how is anyone going to sign a sworn affidavit saying they know Texas laws?) I am equally concerned that the currently excellent CHL statistics are going to decline, again because of a lack of knowledge.

The bottom line is: If this is your third or later renewal, you don't need to take a renewal class and from there on, you will alternate taking and not taking a class.

Chas.

[KD5NRH]

(As a side note, how is anyone going to sign a sworn affidavit saying they know Texas laws?)

1) They're available online
2) Unless you're a cop or a judge, there are no provisions for you not knowing all of them anyway.

[Liberty]

(As a side note, how is anyone going to sign a sworn affidavit saying they know Texas laws?)

1) They're available online
2) Unless you're a cop or a judge, there are no provisions for you not knowing all of them anyway.

I believe they are pretty difficult to understand for the average Joe without some explanation. Charles has a good point, and I would bet that many of us would just go ahead and take the class anyway. The renewal classes are somewhat inexpencive and only 4 hours long, besides it is another excuse to go shooting. At any rate, I sure could use the help with the forms. What I don't understand is who pushed this one through? It couldn't have been that high of a priority with the TSRA nor with any of the instructors, yet someone thought it was a good idea.

[seamusTX]

What I don't understand is who pushed this one through? It couldn't have been that high of a priority with the TSRA nor with any of the instructors, yet someone thought it was a good idea.

Here's the legislative history: http://www.lrl.state.tx.us/scanned/hroB ... HB1839.pdf

This forum is as good as a university symposium on CHL law.

My only other comment is that most of the people who have had CHLs for 12 years have stayed "clean" because it's pretty hard to screw up. You need to do something to come to the attention of the police.

- Jim

[Liberty]

What I don't understand is who pushed this one through? It couldn't have been that high of a priority with the TSRA nor with any of the instructors, yet someone thought it was a good idea.

Here's the legislative history: http://www.lrl.state.tx.us/scanned/hroB ... HB1839.pdf

This forum is as good as a university symposium on CHL law.

My only other comment is that most of the people who have had CHLs for 12 years have stayed "clean" because it's pretty hard to screw up. You need to do something to come to the attention of the police.

I agree that most of here probably don't really need the range qualification or the classroom. I did find though the help with the fingerprinting, pictures and getting the forms filled out right would be worth the extra time for a lot of us. Shucks, an excuse to spend a bit of time with ole Tom is worth dropping a couple of bucks. I will be over 60 and with the Veterans break Its not such an expensive proposition any more.

The PDF file you presented was interesting and did remind me that some rural folks have a hard time scheduling theses classes and many of these folks are older. and most of all we are reminded that it is our responsibility to to keep up with the legislative changes every 2 years. I believe it would be quite difficult without this forum though. The mainstream media is confusing at best, and reading through the the laws with some guidance is difficult and open to misinterpretation. While we admire the growth of TexasCHLforum I do wonder at times how the other 250 thousand keep up.

[seamusTX]

I did find though the help with the fingerprinting, pictures and getting the forms filled out right would be worth the extra time for a lot of us.

I agree. It's well worth it. Tom's initial course costs about the same as a month's cable service or telephone bill.

Shucks, an excuse to spend a bit of time with ole Tom is worth dropping a couple of bucks.

Ditto that.

I believe it would be quite difficult without this forum though. The mainstream media is confusing at best, and reading through the the laws with some guidance is difficult and open to misinterpretation. While we admire the growth of TexasCHLforum I do wonder at times how the other 250 thousand keep up.

Most don't carry often; and as I said, you have to do something rash to get caught. Furthermore, the recent changes have removed prohibitions or cautions, rather than prohibiting actions that were formerly allowed.

- Jim

[txinvestigator]

I think that enterprsing instructors will offer a 'no-class needed renewal service' at a reduced rate for those who don't need the class.

I will.