Repeal the 2nd Amendment?

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Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment?

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HerbM wrote: I will bet it was less than 30% (but I don't have any stats.) Maybe I will research the political and public reaction to Miranda.... :headscratch
Who's Miranda?...

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LedJedi wrote:
HerbM wrote: I will bet it was less than 30% (but I don't have any stats.) Maybe I will research the political and public reaction to Miranda.... :headscratch
Who's Miranda?...

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sorry man, just kidding but couldn't resist. Keep up the good work.
No apology necessary -- it was FUNNY and it gave me another idea about Miranda v. Heller :lol:

97% of Americans (ok, those having an Internet connection) know that they have an individual right.

Yet, you stil have to give EVERY criminal suspect (probably even if he is a lawyer, five time felon,
cop, or otherwise entirely familiar with the process) the Miranda warning since obviously Americans
don't know their 5th Amendment rights. "rlol"
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I'd be open to discussing it right after we repeal the 13th amendment.
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I remember when Miranda was decided (1966). My parents and people like them were outraged. They thought along the lines of "the police arrested him, so he's guilty." I still run into people like that when discussing subjects like search warrants and public defenders.

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LedJedi wrote:Who's Miranda?...
I think she's Marshall Law's ex-wife. :mrgreen:
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After Miranda's conviction was overturned, he was re-tried and served 11 years.

On release he returned home and made a modest living ( "rlol" ) autographing Miranda cards for LEOs. "rlol" ...

...until he was murdered in a bar.

A suspect was arrested, invoked his Miranda rights, and the crime was never solved.


Sometimes justice is ... just.
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TommyGlock wrote:I'd be open to discussing it right after we repeal the 13th amendment.
After the 14th for me, it wasn't legally ratified, but that's another story :mrgreen:
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seamusTX wrote:I remember when Miranda was decided (1966). My parents and people like them were outraged. They thought along the lines of "the police arrested him, so he's guilty." I still run into people like that when discussing subjects like search warrants and public defenders.

- Jim
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That is the type of think I was thinking about. Most people thought like you parents, or "if he isn't guilty why not talk to the police?", or "he should know his own rights, the police shouldn't have to ENCOURAGE him to shut up", etc.

At first, TV and movies made a big deal about this and the supposed obstacle to prosecution. It was a while before it became generally accepted -- not the right to remain silent necessarily, but the necessity of actually reminding the suspect.

Most people would have been opposed to physically harming the suspect, but "the third degree" was both a cliche and an expectation when the police had a "likely suspect."
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HerbM wrote:Most people would have been opposed to physically harming the suspect, but "the third degree" was both a cliche and an expectation when the police had a "likely suspect."
Or, in more modern parlance, "Going Sipowicz on him" ;-)
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DParker wrote:
HerbM wrote:Most people would have been opposed to physically harming the suspect, but "the third degree" was both a cliche and an expectation when the police had a "likely suspect."
Or, in more modern parlance, "Going Sipowicz on him" ;-)

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DParker wrote:
HerbM wrote:Most people would have been opposed to physically harming the suspect, but "the third degree" was both a cliche and an expectation when the police had a "likely suspect."
Or, in more modern parlance, "Going Sipowicz on him" ;-)

I did actually mean without hitting or harming him -- having been a loyal NYPD Blue and Sipowicz fan, I would take that to mean "tuning him up" which involves a beating.
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I am glad to see 95% of the people voting on that site do not agree with repealing the 2nd Amendment. That would be ridiculous.
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DParker wrote:Or, in more modern parlance, "Going Sipowicz on him" ;-)
And if anyone doesn't get that, well... "Next time you don't take a reference on account of your recent birth, do me a favor and keep that to yourself." :mrgreen:
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