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Non CHL car carry

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Howdy All,
While my brother is waiting on his license to be processed in Austin etc. he was wondering if it is legal to carry a handgun on or about your person in your vehicle, i.e. in the middle console, under the seat as long as it stays concealed??? He had a run-in with an LEO in Arcola (speeding), which is out near the Rosharon area I believe, and the cop noticed some guns & ammo magazines in his passenger seat and asked if he had a gun. Of course he did, he told him it was in the middle console, and although he wasn't issued a citation he was told by the LEO that he couldn't do that? What is everyone's take??? I have read 46.02 I believe it is but would like some clarification. :thumbs2:

Thanks for the help,
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Some LEO just dont like any law that gives us the right to carry and even tho they know it is legal, will say and do things to try and scare ppl from carrying. And some just dont stay current on the laws.
In TX your friend is legal to carry concealed in his car.
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Your brother was in his lawful right to carry a gun in the vehicle. The law says nothing about concealing ammunition or accessories (such as magazines).
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As of 1 SEP 2007, law-abiding citizens can carry handguns concealed in their cars. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to post a copy of the actual text.

However, just as a matter of prudence, your brother may want to practice better OPSEC from now on.
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That would be 2007 HB1815, The Motorist Protection Act, which amended Section 46.02 of the Texas Penal Code to read:

PC W6.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly
carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:


(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's
control; or
(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle that is owned
by the person or under the person's control.

(a-I) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly,
or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a
motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person's
control at any time in which:
(1) the handgun is in plain view; or
(2) the person is:
(A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor
that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic;
38 PC w.03. TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS
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(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01
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I have repeatedly read that Harris, Bexar, Travis and Tarrant (?) counties choose to "let the judge decide" if the suspect was violating this law. Is this still true? Or was it ever true?
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aggie70 wrote:I have repeatedly read that Harris, Bexar, Travis and Tarrant (?) counties choose to "let the judge decide" if the suspect was violating this law. Is this still true? Or was it ever true?
There were two sets of laws written. In 2005 the legislators wrote the Presumption Rules that claimed that a man was presummed to be traveling if they met a certain set of conditions (not breaking the law, Not a gang member not illegal to own). the "presumption" was not air tight, and a few attorney decided to get together and resist this blatant attempt for citizens to claim a right to keep and bear arms. There were actually very few cases where they actually took anyone to court over this. Presumably because the local LE departments didn't want to be a party to these particular DAs political games.

Now this didn't go unnoticed. These actions got the attention of the ACLU, the TSRA, and the State Reps and Senators. They were pretty cranked that these few DAs had the nerve to enforce the law as the DAs thought it should be rather than the obvoious intention of the state house and governor. In the 2007 sesion they passed a more bullet proof law and in June Governor Rick Perry signed it. The DAs pretty much resigned their persecution of car driving gun tooters after the law took effect Sept 1st 2007.

Now this would normally would be the end of this happy little story, but there is more. Chuckie Rosenthal the Republican Harris County DA ran into a little trouble and found that the Republican party completely bailed out on him just when he needed them most. Harris County got themselves a barnd new shiny DA. and Chuckie is taken off the public dole. Then the old Joe Horn case comes up. He gets no billed. Now some might say that the grand Jury let him off because they understood the law and were sympathetic to the situation. Those who have an understanding of the Harris County Grand Jury system though claim the grand jury let him off because the DA didn't want to push this one. Typically a Grand jury will go right along with what the DA wants. There is no defense in a grand jury setting it is the DAs forum. I would say that new DA hasn't shown any inclination to go on Gun owners witch hunt. That today a CHL or other gun owner isn't any more likely to be harrassed in Harris County than any other county.
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Re: Non CHL car carry

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Thanks for all replies! :cheers2:
A few questions though...

1. bdickens,
your brother may want to practice better OPEC from now on.
What is OPSEC? :confused5

2. I knew about being able to have a gun in your car, but I am just confirming what you guys said. On or about your person in your vehicle is legal correct? :fire

Thank yall for the help,
Dwayne :txflag:
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Re: Non CHL car carry

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Aggie_engr: OPSEC = Operational Security. From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operations ... ty_(OPSEC)
Operations security (OPSEC) is a process that identifies critical information to determine if friendly actions can be observed by adversary intelligence systems, determines if information obtained by adversaries could be interpreted to be useful to them, and then executes selected measures that eliminate or reduce adversary exploitation of friendly critical information.

OPSEC is a methodology that denies critical information to an adversary. Unlike security programs that seek to protect classified information, OPSEC measures identify, control, and protect generally unclassified evidence that is associated with sensitive operations and activities.


Basically, it means not blabbing to the whole world about what you're doing.


More info on OPSEC than you'll probably ever want to know: http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/new_pubs/jp3_13_3.pdf


Oh, and please edit your post, the yellow font is unreadable.
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