Oklahoma police request voluntary ballistics tests

[KaiserB]

I don't understand. If you don't have something to hide, what are you afraid of?

- Jim

During the process of handing in the weapon for testing--the police mis-interpreting statements in the associated questioning which most likely occurred.

[WildBill]

Yes. Glock strikers leave a unique mark. - Jim

Here's a picture from a previous thread.
http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... ck#p177766

[KC5AV]

Well, I have a Glock .40S&W. Maybe they'd like to test mine, too.

[flintknapper]

Well, I have a Glock .40S&W. Maybe they'd like to test mine, too.

Ahhh...Haaaa! I KNEW IT!

[pedalman]

Yes. Glock strikers leave a unique mark.

- Jim

Also, the rifling on a G40 is not conventional (polygonal)

[SCone]

The problem is asking people to provide what could be evidence against themselves

If this would actually work, they should just ask for the guilty party to step forward. I normally support LEO in doing their jobs, but this has too many concerns for me. If it fails to produce anything, will they expand their search to EVERYONE that owns a Glock? If it succeeds, will ballistic fingerprinting become a requirement for all gun owners? Why not go ahead and take DNA at birth? Build the database and when anything happens, just look up the person responsible & go pick them up.

[KC5AV]

How far back did they go with the 4473's? How do they know the gun was purchased locally? What are they going to do if the 15 other folks still refuse to submit to their illegal search? Too many questions.

[Revet]

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

-- C.S. Lewis

[drw]

The most common retort against privacy advocates -- by those in favor of ID checks, cameras, databases, data mining and other wholesale surveillance measures -- is this line: "If you aren't doing anything wrong, what do you have to hide?"

Some clever answers: "If I'm not doing anything wrong, then you have no cause to watch me." "Because the government gets to define what's wrong, and they keep changing the definition." "Because you might do something wrong with my information." My problem with quips like these -- as right as they are -- is that they accept the premise that privacy is about hiding a wrong. It's not. Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the human condition with dignity and respect.

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/ ... 6/05/70886

[flintknapper]

The most common retort against privacy advocates -- by those in favor of ID checks, cameras, databases, data mining and other wholesale surveillance measures -- is this line: "If you aren't doing anything wrong, what do you have to hide?"

Some clever answers: "If I'm not doing anything wrong, then you have no cause to watch me." "Because the government gets to define what's wrong, and they keep changing the definition." "Because you might do something wrong with my information." My problem with quips like these -- as right as they are -- is that they accept the premise that privacy is about hiding a wrong. It's not. Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the human condition with dignity and respect.

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/ ... 6/05/70886

[seamusTX]

What are they going to do if the 15 other folks still refuse to submit to their illegal search?

They will likely say that they did everything that they could, and try to transfer some blame to those people.

I'm just speculating, though.

- Jim

[flintknapper]

What are they going to do if the 15 other folks still refuse to submit to their illegal search?

They will likely say that they did everything that they could, and try to transfer some blame to those people.

I'm just speculating, though.

- Jim

There is a lot of pressure on them to solve this case. Unfortunately, they have little to no chance of doing so unless the guilty person(s) "talk" and then it would have to be someone local for them to find out about it.

They are doing what they can to look "productive", I am sure they know the chances of solving this one are almost nil.

I wish them luck.

[seamusTX]

Unfortunately, this kind of apparent thrill killing is not likely to be the end of this story. It often escalates, especially when the killer is emboldened by escaping justice.

I hope people are keeping a close watch on their kids there.

- Jim