Charles L. Cotton wrote:If it hits the market, then we need a law in Texas making it illegal for any person, organization or governmental agency to own, possess or use. We can't stop the feds, but having a machine designed to detect something that isn't illegal is absurd. Privacy rights groups will go nuts over this and rightfully so.
Chas.
I can't agree more...But then again, if the technology can be spoofed, and its use abused by anyone choosing to do so, it brings about the obvious solution that would make the investment in this technology a moot point!!!
And I'm not even going to say what that solution is...
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Soon, sobriety checkpoints will be the norm in Texas. This is a legislature who obviously puts special interests (in this case, MADD) above personal freedoms. I would suspect the same legislature will welcome other privacy-busting technology so long as palms are greased by special interest lobbyists.
Only difference I see here is that drunks endanger everyone they encounter in their path while a person carrying concealed endangers no one. I dont agree with check points but can see the purpose. I do feel if the check point is for drunks then that should be its limit. No seatbelt, taillight, inspection sticker tickets, etc.
Tahoe132 wrote:Now I just hope I don't miss a 30.06 or a 51% sign any time soon.
Or pass an invalid sign. Currently an invalid sign (George R Brown for example) wouldnt be an issue since it is concealed. BUT, now they can see thru your clothes and you are fighting an arrest that shouldnt have happened.
This is an unconstituional search and similar devices have already been banned by the courts. Big brother will have to get a warrant before using this on the public, I hope...
Soon, sobriety checkpoints will be the norm in Texas. This is a legislature who obviously puts special interests (in this case, MADD) above personal freedoms. I would suspect the same legislature will welcome other privacy-busting technology so long as palms are greased by special interest lobbyists.
Only difference I see here is that drunks endanger everyone they encounter in their path while a person carrying concealed endangers no one. I dont agree with check points but can see the purpose. I do feel if the check point is for drunks then that should be its limit. No seatbelt, taillight, inspection sticker tickets, etc.
I agree that we should do what ever we can to keep drunks off the road, but the quote you to contributed to me, was not me... it was brianko's quote.
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by bryang on Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:44 pm
They should propose a law against this thing before it gets to Texas.
I really don't want to have to wear tin foil underwear!
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bryang wrote:\
I agree that we should do what ever we can to keep drunks off the road, but the quote you to contributed to me, was not me... it was brianko's quote.
It's this attitude of allowing the authorities to chip away at our personal freedoms that has brought us to where we are now, a public insensitivity to attacks on our constitutional rights.
And we wonder why we have to carry licenses to exercise a right...
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While I hope we never see the day that Joe citizen or Leo the cop gets to use these things, I can see where it might be real useful monitoring prisoners in our wonderful detention facilities.
Should we actually make it illegal for citizens to own one? LEOs to use them?
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bryang wrote:agree that we should do what ever we can to keep drunks off the road, but the quote you to contributed to me, was not me... it was brianko's quote.
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by bryang on Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:44 pm
I know, I just dont know how to snip multiple quotes.
bryang wrote:\
I agree that we should do what ever we can to keep drunks off the road, but the quote you to contributed to me, was not me... it was brianko's quote.
It's this attitude of allowing the authorities to chip away at our personal freedoms that has brought us to where we are now, a public insensitivity to attacks on our constitutional rights.
And we wonder why we have to carry licenses to exercise a right...
I was not trying to be confrontational I was simply stating that I did not make that statement. Believe me, I know how far America has fallen and how the slick politicians have taken away almost all of our rights. Were I was raised, in a small West Texas town, we never locked our house, or car. We slept with the windows open and hardly heard the word crime. Why, everyone had a gun and if you didn't you were looked upon as a foreigner. Every pickup in town, and that was 90% of all the vehicles, had a shotgun and a 30-30 rifle in a gun rack in the back window. We did not have to worry about someone spying on us and private meant just that...private. I understand what you are saying and that is why I support and belong to the NRA and TSRA at least we will have a voice on our side in the government. I am familiar with the frog in a boiling pot analogy, and how little by little we have given up our rights and have now become accustom to it as normal...it is not! We need to and should stand up and fight for our rights before we wake up and they are all gone.
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I'm amazed how, in such serious times, when so many of our rights are being stripped from us, and the majority of people don't even care, because they are simply ignorant or just plain too stupid to see what is going on, that people can continue to joke about it, and get caught up into the whole "it's in our best interest" junk.
People, I'm not that old, and I'm not that smart myself, but can you not see what is happening??? Can you not remember back to the pre-9/11 era??? Has the government and the rest of the world actually been this successful in pulling the sheepskin over the wolves, and more people haven't noticed this??????? I just can't fathom how completely ignorant the masses must be to: 1. Not see what is going on right in front of them, or 2. Not stand up and do something about it.
Everyone keeps saying "we need to stand up and preserve our rights" and maybe it's just me, but I just don't see anyone doing it.
Sure, plenty of you are giving to the NRA, TSRA, etc, and that is absolutely great. But, it's not enough. I don't feel that preserving the 2nd Amendment is the only thing we need to be fighting for. Our government is practically useless in many different ways, and it is time for something to be done. All politicians, every one of them, are lying, greedy, stealing _________ and it's because of what we, "the people" have allowed this to become. Yes, I am ready for a change. No, I'm not looking for the kind of change Obama promises.... he's planning on "changing" things alright... When are we going to actually stand up as the masses and say we've had enough? When are we going to ACTUALLY do something about the current events and situation we are in. No one person will be able to make this change we ALL keep talking about. It will take ALL of us, "the people" to do it. And until we ALL decide to get together and do something about it, it's just going to get worse.
When you all decide you are ready to actually stand up for your rights, and actually make a difference in our cities, states, country, and the world, you let me know, and I will be right there beside each and every one of you. But as long as you decide to simply sit on your couch, doing nothing more than talking about your concerns, and donating some of your money to certain organizations, I hope you realize that nothing is going to change for the better.
Tahoe132 wrote:Ok so maybe I don't understand why everyone is so negative about this? I agree that citizens should not get these, but I don't see what is wrong with police officers carrying them? We have to let them know if we are carrying anyways, right?
What I see as wrong with these is that they violate the Fourth Amendment. If used in public, it is an illegal search with no probable cause.
And, no, you do not have to tell every police officer you are carrying. If stopped and asked for ID while carrying, you must show them you CHL. It does not truly require you to answer if you are carrying, though I get that as implied. And we are fighting (well, I am and I think TSRA is) tog et this law removed as useless now. In general, unless you are breaking the law, it is known of the police's business if you are carrying or not.
BTW, Brianko, I don't think we will see sobriety checkpoints anytime soon. That was a bill introduced last session and it died during the session. MADD is for them, of course, but they are a small group and not as powerful as the opponents. What they have going for them is that it is hard for a politician to be seen as in favor of driving while intoxicated, but it is also hard in Texas for them to be seen as favoring government intervention too much. We will have them in the future, but look how long it took us to get a law banning drinking while driving (open container law was only passed in the mid 90's).
Whoa! Sobriety checkpoints are illegal? They do them in Sealy, Austin County. Both the PD and SO participate, time to contact someone. Should I send an email to the police chief and Sheriff? Or the State Rep?
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