Video of Diane Sawyer on carrying at school

[boomerang]

As for the small children you can't expect them to know what to do if they find a gun in a toy box.

That depends on many things, including if their parents love them enough to teach them Eddie Eagle.

[gumaro]

The toy box question was a sarcastic reply, because we sure wouldn't leave a weapon in a toy box or anywhere else for that matter where it could be found by a small child. The kids in that segment of the show didn't look much older than 5 years old. If you have any children they should be taught about firearms. I have four girls ages 7, 9, 11, and 13 all which have been taught not to touch any firearm in my house or any house (any place). They also have been taught about firearm safety. It is anti-gun shows like that one, that will eventually be the basis for more stupid gun laws, to disarm the people and slowly erode at our right to keep and bear arms.

[Aggie_engr]

So, if I read your post correctly G.C.Montgomery, you are opposed to the campus carry bill and pretty much all of concealed carry in Texas since an active shooter could not only hit a college campus but anywhere and us "regular" chl holders would not be able to defend ourselves?

Also what I gather from your post is that we should all cower down in fear underneath our desks and wait for Rambo to arrive, since he is the only being on earth qualified enough to take down an active shooter?

Just for the record, the poor souls that were robbed of their lives were killed execution style, in the head, on their knees and most likely begging for their lives. Well, that's not going to be me. I am not going to wait hours for some elite group with certain "necessary qualifications" to assemble and finally enter the building while the killing continues. Maybe some people just weren't born with the guts to stand up in the face of evil and do what's right. And if I get shot and possibly killed, well darnit I'm going down in a pile of spent brass. But at least I'll know I gave it my best shot and did everything possible to survive and cut the number of casualties.

[boomerang]

Also what I gather from your post is that we should all cower down in fear underneath our desks and wait for Rambo to arrive, since he is the only being on earth qualified enough to take down an active shooter?

Actually, he proposed a clear course of action to achieve a targeted goal. Neither cowering nor waiting were part of that plan.

I'm reminded of one of my instructors who said it's more important to not get shot than to get to shoot.

[Skiprr]

Actually, he proposed a clear course of action to achieve a targeted goal. Neither cowering nor waiting were part of that plan.

I'm reminded of one of my instructors who said it's more important to not get shot than to get to shoot.

Huah!

And may I remind everyone that the original thread about this ABC 20/20 program is here:

http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... 23&t=23876

[G.C.Montgomery]

So, if I read your post correctly G.C.Montgomery, you are opposed to the campus carry bill and pretty much all of concealed carry in Texas since an active shooter could not only hit a college campus but anywhere and us "regular" chl holders would not be able to defend ourselves?...

One last post on this thread and I'm leaving this thead alone.

Aggie_engr, you were the one who suggested ABC should run the experiment with a "seasoned CHL holder" to see what happens. While I don't disagree, I simply asked you to define a "seasoned CHL holder." I asked because I think the average "seasoned CHL holder," who likely doesn't read this forum, would not have faired much better. I also disagree with your statement indicating those "who commit to the entire process of obtaining a chl are very serious about training." Rather than discussing this, you responded with and emotional rant that borders on being an insult.

So to answer your question, it appears you did not read my post correctly. I never commented one way or another on the campus carry bill. Fact is, I do support campus carry and I have never said I was opposed to concealed carry for anyone at anytime. The only thing one can gather from reading my post is that I am not so emotionally attached to this discussion that I jump all over someone who isn't blindly following my lead.

I don't believe that being armed means I have an automatic advantage but, being armed does give me extra options and is preferred for that reason. As my wife will affirm, I am nothing more than a large teddy bear with a gun, a knife, and a few other tools...Not Rambo. I try not to under estimate the possibility that the next active shooter(s) to twist off in a church, mall or school may have far more advanced skills than me or even the first cops on the scene.

Since job one for me to come home to my wife everyday, preferably with no more holes than I started, I believe it's in my best interest to leave the area as quickly as possible rather than risk an engagement. Cowering in fear or waiting for help "professionals" to arrive are not options and I've ever suggested they should be. What I have said is I believe that most people who apply for a CHL are not committed to training or running a gun to the best of their ability. Most people just want gun because it’s better than a lucky rabbit’s foot…Barely. I still believe that such people are unprepared and at a distinct disadvantage.

When keeping the gun running under minimal stress requires conscious thought and a juggling act to reload or fix a stoppage, you are at a distinct disadvantage to an active shooter who doesn’t have to think to do these things or brought more than one gun to the fight. If you don't understand the difference between cover and concealment, you are at distinct disadvantage to an active shooter who is equally ignorant but will shoot through a wall, door or desk to kill you. And if you've never thought about or trained for the very real possibility that an active shooter may be wearing body armor, you are at a distinct disadvantage to the growing number of active shooters who wear body armor. Most CHL holders do not and will not train for any of these things. So in my mind, simply being a "seasoned CHL holder" doesn't translate to a likely victory for the purpose of this discussion.

That's not saying you won't get lucky but, Mark Allen Wilson was as "seasoned" a CHL holder as one might expect to find on February 24, 2005 in Tyler. Wilson had owned/operated a range. I believe he was a CHL instructor. And while Wilson did save some lives that day, his efforts failed to stop the threat and Wilson died as a result of the gunfight. Wilson had shot the bad guy for sure but, Wilson didn't adjust when it was apparent his shots to the body had no effect. The bad guy was wearing body armor and by all accounts, Wilson was a good enough shooter to make the head shots that would have ended the fight before the bad guy could reload and fire his AK. Call me stupid but, I see parallels between the 20/20 story and the Tyler incident. If you don’t, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’ll reserve the rest of my comments for the original thread.