I just realized my Drivers lic expires on my bday coming up. So I'll need to get it renewed but even if I go tomorrow (which I am) I'm not sure if I'll get it before my christmas flight out.
according to the TSA website acceptable IDs are
adult passengers (18 and over) are required to show a U.S. federal or state-issued photo ID that contains the following: name, date of birth, gender, expiration date and a tamper-resistant feature in order to be allowed to go through the checkpoint and onto their flight.
So it seems like it should work.
Does anyone have any experience with this? I'd really rather have my drivers license in time but trying to figure out my options if that doesn't happen.
(And yes I realize I'm an idiot for not realizing and taking care of this sooner).
I suppose you could use it. Do you have a passport? I have not used my CHL for an alternate form of ID yet.
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It will probably get you thru TSA for the purpose of your travel as they would most probably not have a clue about the CHL Laws..........
But, FYI.........with regards to validity of your CHL by TXDPS, your CHL is not valid without a valid Drivers License or Texas ID Card, no matter what the expiration date is on the CHL.
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And just as a further note, your DL still meets the criteria. Note that the list says it must have an expiration date, not that it be before the indicated date.
Seriously, I think the CHL might be more trouble than showing the expired DL with the paper renewal receipt. I don't trust TSA when it comes to guns and people they think might have them.
srothstein wrote:And just as a further note, your DL still meets the criteria. Note that the list says it must have an expiration date, not that it be before the indicated date.
Seriously, I think the CHL might be more trouble than showing the expired DL with the paper renewal receipt. I don't trust TSA when it comes to guns and people they think might have them.
Yeah that's probably a good idea, try the DL w/ renewal receipt and temporary and use the CHL as back up.
First: You have to identify yourself to the airline unless you use a kiosk for check-in, which usually requires a credit card for ID (which is a whole 'nother can of worms). Some airlines will NOT accept an expired DL for ID, and some will accept but your ticket and boarding pass will be coded with the information that you did not show a CURRENT ID, which may, probably will, make you subject to deeper screening.
Then second: After obtaining your boarding pass you proceed to passenger screening, where you be asked to present ID again, and although this is administered by TSA, except in a few cases, it is actually NOT a TSA person checking ID. The people checking ID are specifically and locally trained on what constitutes valid ID and are not supposed to accept anything but what they are trained as valid ID.
That said.
Ticket agents get in a rush, forget their training, ignore the rules, and all sorts of other things, including possibly just not checking the ID for dates and such, and some states have multiple formats of ID, which can lead to confusion, which lets people get through without "proper" ID.
The ID checkers get lazy, sleepy, and confused by multiple formats, with similar results.
For every tale of someone who made it through without "proper" ID that are ten who got extra screening because they didn't present what either the ticket agent or ID check was satisfied with.
TSA is not clueless about CHL at least on a one on one basis, I was a TSA agent for several years and ALL of the people are presented with state by state training on various laws as well as the full pantheon of federal regulations, but there are those who do not bother to pay attention during training or do not deign to use their training and overlay their own prejudices and like tto make it tough on travelers who are gun owners. TSA is supposed to weed those types out, among others, but the process is exceedingly slow and difficult.
TSA as an organization is supposed to be transparent to travelers regardless of race, creed, etc, including gun ownership, but the personal paradigms of the managers get overlaid and can cause problems.
I ALWAYS advocate FULL preparedness for travel, gunowner or not. If you go prepared, you will run into less problems.
Remember TSA's job is to make it difficult for bad guys to take over planes, and a side effect is that it makes it difficult for ALL of us to get on planes. If you plan in advance, and prepare properly, you will run into less difficulty.
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A Texas CHL is not supposed to be ID, but acceptance of it varies according to the above, and in several states their licenses or permits are specifically prohibited from use as ID, but that also varies as above.
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A bunch of years ago I was flying out of O'Hare airport in Chicago to teach a class, and was asked to present two forms of picture ID. Not having anything other than my IL DL and my Firearms Owners ID (and knowing that a FOID was not considered ID) I presented both, and the ticket agent asked me if I would be carrying a firearm on the flight "Officer?" The old FOID had a wierd format with "Illinois State Police" in bold letters across the top above the picture and down below the picture it said "Firearms Owners Identification" in smaller letters, and at a quick glance it could be mistaken for a police ID, and the young lady just assumed. I told her I was not carrying this trip, but left her assumption undenied. IL has since changed the format of their FOID.
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An expired DL is not supposed to be accepted, it could be that you are not the person pictured and that they have the new one in their possession.
I would just show them your drivers license, and only produce additional backup ID if asked. Why call attention to something that probably will not be questioned in the first place?
Also, if you do not already have a passport it probably would be a good idea to get one.
Expired License is reason to deny access - what you dont want to happen is to get past the check on the way out and get denied the ability to fly back
Just do the online renewal print the form and bring the expired Card, the renewal and the CHL with you
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I would second ChuckW's recommendation to get your passport. This way you can keep it separate from your wallet, and have some redundancy in case you lose one or the other.
A little off topic....I tried to use my CHL as a back-up to my DL to cash a check at Bank of America, and was advised that their policy is that a CHL is not acceptable ID. I will definitely not be doing business with them.
I used my CHL as ID at DFW airport once and it was accepted. But it may very well depend on what "agent" you get. I actually had my TXDL somewhere on me but couldn't find it at the time and so I pulled out my CHL because it was in my billfold where it belonged I used my TXDL on my return flight from DC and every flight since then so I only have the one experience to go by.
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I used my TXDL on my return flight from DC and every flight since then so I only have the one experience to go by.