Security - alive and well at Texas Stadium...NOT!

[Chris]

my point of this thread was to be informative on the so called "security measures" that some places are taking, given recent events in our global society. the stadium was pretty crowded, since that owens doofus made his 'debut'. i went in with a gun only after being searched by security for one. then when i ran into trouble, there was no security. at $50 a ticket, one has a higher expectation of event preparedness.

a lot of places will tell off-duty cops they aren't allowed to carry weapons in their facility. the general statement is to ask for the "off-duty" officer that is working their security and tell him/her that event policy prohibits off-duty officers from carrying weapons on premises. that usually ends any argument for the event people, so i don't ever take issue with whether i can or cannot carry. i just like to see what kind of a scene they're going to make of it.

i still think responsible people who can carry a gun should be allowed to do so anywhere. if something dreadful happened in that stadium, it's however many off-duty cops happen to be there, and whomever else responds later. it'd be a lot nicer if the good guys outnumbered the bad by a huge margin.

[carlson1]

i still think responsible people who can carry a gun should be allowed to do so anywhere. if something dreadful happened in that stadium, it's however many off-duty cops happen to be there, and whomever else responds later. it'd be a lot nicer if the good guys outnumbered the bad by a huge margin.

YEP!

[sparx]

i still think responsible people who can carry a gun should be allowed to do so anywhere. if something dreadful happened in that stadium, it's however many off-duty cops happen to be there, and whomever else responds later. it'd be a lot nicer if the good guys outnumbered the bad by a huge margin.

YEP!

I agree with carlson1 as well, Chris, and wish a lot more GGs out there had your sentiments. I can't imagine a better Homeland Security force than a mass of armed responsible and law-abiding citizens walking our streets, driving our highways, working in our workplaces and attending public events and large gatherings. BTW, if no one's told you recently, thank you for your service!

[RPBrown]

Thats one reason I refuse to go to Texas Stadium. The other relates in I can't legally carry there so I won't go.

[carlson1]

Years ago we had to place our gun in the gun boxes before entering into the Jail. There was always a few me included that kept our back ups no matter what. I know there are off limit places for CHL and I would never break the law, but just a reminder concealed means concealed unless metal detectors are present

[Chris]

Years ago we had to place our gun in the gun boxes before entering into the Jail. There was always a few me included that kept our back ups no matter what. I know there are off limit places for CHL and I would never break the law, but just a reminder concealed means concealed unless metal detectors are present

you mean you're supposed to take off your backup in the jail?

[carlson1]

Years ago we had to place our gun in the gun boxes before entering into the Jail. There was always a few me included that kept our back ups no matter what. I know there are off limit places for CHL and I would never break the law, but just a reminder concealed means concealed unless metal detectors are present

you mean you're supposed to take off your backup in the jail?

Thats what someone told me, but they probably lied. You know how the police are

[KBCraig]

I have to wonder if you discussed carrying unauthorized, unaccountable, backups, into a jail, with the officers who are armed with nothing more than a radio.

Stuff Happens in secure facilities, especially when certain critters don't want to play nice. If a sudden entanglement of bodies took place during booking, and later that night you arrived home to find a Certain Something missing when you were undressing, would you have called the jail to tell them that you might have ... ummm ... "misplaced" a ... ummm ... "certain object", which ... ummm ... may or may not have been a ... errrr ... criminal act on your part to possess inside the secure facility?

Walking those halls every day with nothing more than a Motorola and a set of handcuffs, I am not inclined to sympathize with officers from the street who bring in unauthorized firearms "just in case". Correctional workers catch enough crap from "real" LEOs, so it just doesn't sit right when they break our rules because they're afraid to walk our beat.

Kevin

[Chris]

Correctional workers catch enough crap from "real" LEOs, so it just doesn't sit right when they break our rules because they're afraid to walk our beat.

Kevin

i did it for a year and a half. there were 800 in the facility i worked. i was the team leader on the PERT squad, so i guess that means i'm afraid huh?

[carlson1]

I grew up in an apartment in the 6th floor of the Smith County Sheriff's Dept. I fed the prisoners and ran the elevator as a kid. I grew up playing cars in the jail, dominos with the trustees, and even some poker in the West Felony Tank. It has nothing to do with LEO verses Jailors. I thought we were all on the same team. I started my career in the jail to the street and I never thought I was better than the jailors. I even spent time at TDC in Palestine. Lighten up a little. I sure apologize because you sound offended.

[Paladin]

we decided to go to the football game last night. while i'm not a fan of football, i thought my two girls might like it. i had been carrying my beretta in my waistband, but for those tiny seats, i changed to a revolver in a pocket holster before we left for the game. good thing too. i was contemplating what kind of scene would be made when i informed them i was carrying a weaopn.

as we walked up to the gate, i see them searching people, or patting them down. just as i got ready to get out my ID, i stopped. i figured i'd try something. i walked up to the searcher, raised up my arms, and he started patting me down. they pat your chest, then rub their hands around your waistband. he never felt the butt of my revolver just barely sticking up from my pants pocket. so i cruise on in with 15 rounds of .357 magnum and a loaded revolver. i don't know what kind of security facade they're running, but please. i hope people don't feel safe just because they're patting people down.

well, we watched the game and left a few minutes before the end of the last quarter. as we got to the main stadium exit, i found out just how good security really is there. little did i know that I WAS the security. two guys are slugging it out right in front of us on the floor. i'm trying to get my kids back and get my wife to take them to the side. as i'm doing this, some friends of the combatants are starting to pull them apart. these guys continue trying to get to each other in a crowd of people and small kids, so i go up and convince them to go on their separate ways. one schmuck starts whining that he wanted to press charges. i told him if any charges were pressed it would be both of them for fighting in public. that was enough for him to leave. the sober friends helped in that respect. i think the shiny badge i had on was all the convincing they needed. thank goodness i slipped past security with my gun. i'm just glad they didn't do the same. i'm not a fan of getting involved in anything, but there are kids all over this place and these two drunks decide to duke it out in the exit doors.

and did security ever show up you ask? nope. no employees, no security, nothing.

oh, it gets better. i walk out to the car to find out my window is busted out where someone tried to steal my wife's jeep. chalk another one up to "i won't ever leave a gun in the car".

all in all, it was a s%$*ty trip and i never intend to go back.

the morale of this story? carry a gun everywhere you go. if they won't let you in with it, it isn't important enough to be there any way. you and your family's safety and security are far too precious to put it in the hands of those who only want to give you the false sense of it.

Very interesting. Another classic post Chris. From personal experience I've seen that wheelguns are hard to pick up. You proved it nicely. Guess this also proves that if it feels wrong (security at a game) then it probably is.

[Chris]

Very interesting. Another classic post Chris. From personal experience I've seen that wheelguns are hard to pick up. You proved it nicely. Guess this also proves that if it feels wrong (security at a game) then it probably is.

according to merriam-webster, the stadium staff were not doing this...

Main Entry: se·cu·ri·ty
Pronunciation: si-'kyur-&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 : the quality or state of being secure : as a : freedom from danger : SAFETY b : freedom from fear or anxiety c : freedom from the prospect of being laid off <job security>
2 a : something given, deposited, or pledged to make certain the fulfillment of an obligation b : SURETY
3 : an instrument of investment in the form of a document (as a stock certificate or bond) providing evidence of its ownership
4 a : something that secures : PROTECTION b (1) : measures taken to guard against espionage or sabotage, crime, attack, or escape (2) : an organization or department whose task is security

what they were doing was this...

Main Entry: fon·dle
Pronunciation: 'fän-d&l
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): fon·dled; fon·dling /-(d)li[ng], -d&l-i[ng]/
Etymology: frequentative of obsolete fond to fondle
transitive verb
1 obsolete : PAMPER
2 : to handle tenderly, lovingly, or lingeringly : CARESS
intransitive verb : to show affection or desire by caressing
- fon·dler /-(d)l&r, -d&l-&r/ noun