"Are you really a highly trained gun expert?"

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:20 am

"No, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night!"

http://www.dailysentinel.com/news/conte ... eport.html

POLICE REPORT: Visiting police officer shoots gun in hotel

Friday, September 15, 2006

A police officer visiting Nacogdoches accidentally discharged a handgun in a hotel room Wednesday morning, damaging a water pipe, according to Nacogdoches Police Department.

The officer, a member of the McKinney Police Department SWAT team, was staying at the Holiday Inn Express located at 3807 South St. He was in town for the Texas Tactical Police Officers Association competition being held at a course off Press Road.

No one was injured in the incident, but the shot struck a water pipe and released water into the room. The officer's supervisor was also staying at the hotel, and he was notified.

The McKinney SWAT team did not finish the competition.

Post by **carlson1** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:26 am

jbirds1210 · Post by **jbirds1210** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:39 am

YIKES!

Just a reminder that the Four Rules apply to us all.

Please tell me that it was not a Glock Fowty!?

I am glad I was not staying at that Holiday Inn last night...at least next door or above that fellow!
Jason

longtooth · Post by **longtooth** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:54 am

Bet it was. SWAT, the elite of McKenny's finest.

OH Well. We WOULD be charged & he will get paper in a file folder. The taxpayers of McKenny will pay the repair bill.

HighVelocity · Post by **HighVelocity** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:06 am

At least no one was injured. Since the round struck a water pipe and "discharged water into the room", I'm going to guess that this is somehow toilet related.

There should be a FIFTH rule. Never try to grab a falling gun.
No, the article didn't say that happened but I watch a lot of Matlock re-runs when I'M staying at a Holiday Inn Express.

Venus Pax · Post by **Venus Pax** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:01 am

Well, I"m glad no one was hurt. Material items can always be replaced or repaired.
Unfortunately, longtooth is right: a CHL holder would have been fined for this.

longtooth · Post by **longtooth** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:44 am

True VP. What torques me also is this did not make the News paper part of the paper as far as I can find out. It was only in the Police report which they are required to turn in on a daily basis. Nothing in the Lufkin Daily that I have found either. He will never be charged w/ Reckless Endangerment, Discharge in the City limits, Destruction of Private Property, I am sure LEO can think of several more if it were CHL Citizen.

fadlan12 · Post by **fadlan12** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:44 pm

Longtooth, from what I have exprerinced with the Lufkin Daily News: is that news is behind by a day or so. I used to wait till tuesday to get the sunday nigh and monday night NFL game scores in the paper.

JohnKSa · Post by **JohnKSa** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:41 pm

We WOULD be charged...

I work with a person who discharged a pistol in a hotel room and killed the occupant in the next room.

He is NOT and LEO and he was NOT charged. There was a civil suit, but no criminal charges. If the shooting is ruled accidental but not negligent, there are no charges filed regardless of the status of the person.

longtooth · Post by **longtooth** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:01 pm

Conceed. Good rebutal.

Houston1944 · Post by **Houston1944** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:28 pm

I'm not intending to start a "word war" but unless it is a mechanical failure of the pistol I don't see how you could have an accidental discharge of a pistol that is not "negligent".

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:26 am

Houston1944 wrote:I'm not intending to start a "word war" but unless it is a mechanical failure of the pistol I don't see how you could have an accidental discharge of a pistol that is not "negligent".

Sometimes a gun truely malfunctions.

Houston1944 · Post by **Houston1944** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:30 pm

I agree with you Paladin. I have had them go full auto on me, I have had hammers drop when they should not have, and other simliar malfunctions. I consider all of this at least some type of mechanical failure.

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:27 pm

I'm also glad no one was injured...

But how do you explain after all of that, if your team takes thousands of rounds to a competition, and only one (1) was expended???

Yeah, thats a little

Happens to the best though...

JohnKSa · Post by **JohnKSa** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:39 pm

I'm not intending to start a "word war" but unless it is a mechanical failure of the pistol I don't see how you could have an accidental discharge of a pistol that is not "negligent".

You won't get any argument from me on this score! But they didn't ask me.

Of course, the real issue is "negligent" as defined by law. I really don't know enough about the law to know if his actions qualified as negligent or not.

In addition, since he was in the room alone, it's hard to prove exactly what he did.

For what it's worth, the civil suit was against his employer (he was travelling on business) and recovered a multi-million dollar settlement.

The case is actually mentioned in passing in the now badly outdated book by Doug Briggs "A Matter of Personal Protection."