MSNBC POLL: SHOULD TEACHERS CARRY GUNS?

[Mithras61]

I think it is actually a tough question.

I do agree that the how the question is worded it is easy to say NO.

The problem with armed teahers is the student that shows up packing his arsenal is going to start with the administration since he/she knows who poses the most threat to stopping their attack.

Although I do not know of a viable alternative to arming the administration. There is only one sure way to stop a shooter...Shoot em'!

On one hand it is a good deterrent to anyone if they know they are out gunned, that is basic force protection. On the other hand history has tought us that these are suicide missions and the shooter is making an attempt to take out as many of their "enemies" as they can.

I submit that the student shooter you mention better guess right and get the one & only administrator that is armed if this passes. I further submit that if schools weren't such a soft target that the student shooter would be a lot less likely to BE a student shooter.

This whole student as shooter phenomenon seems like a relatively recent phenomenon to me (like about the last 15 years). Perhaps if we make schools a harder target the student shooter will resort to old fashioned methods (like talking) to resolve their differences instead of shooting up a school.

[kw5kw]

I submit that the student shooter you mention better guess right and get the one & only administrator that is armed if this passes. I further submit that if schools weren't such a soft target that the student shooter would be a lot less likely to BE a student shooter.

This whole student as shooter phenomenon seems like a relatively recent phenomenon to me (like about the last 15 years). Perhaps if we make schools a harder target the student shooter will resort to old fashioned methods (like talking) to resolve their differences instead of shooting up a school.

I submit that if we actually taught discipline in the schools in the first place--like has been missing over the past couple of decades--then we would have fewer incidents as this in the first place.

[Mithras61]

I submit that the student shooter you mention better guess right and get the one & only administrator that is armed if this passes. I further submit that if schools weren't such a soft target that the student shooter would be a lot less likely to BE a student shooter.

This whole student as shooter phenomenon seems like a relatively recent phenomenon to me (like about the last 15 years). Perhaps if we make schools a harder target the student shooter will resort to old fashioned methods (like talking) to resolve their differences instead of shooting up a school.

I submit that if we actually taught discipline in the schools in the first place--like has been missing over the past couple of decades--then we would have fewer incidents as this in the first place.

Well, there is that also, but that will take years to implement even if we convince people that it SHOULD be done. Allowing CCW could be done sooner.

[isa268]

i was going to reply, then i wasn't, now after reading some more posts on the MSNBC thread, i have to reply.

that thread is full of "Projection", see here:

http://www.jpfo.org/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm

"don't allow teachers with CHL's to carry in school cause if *I* had a gun I'd shoot someone over little disputes"

CHLers go through heck to get our licences and we know using them in an unlawful manner will result in at least losing it for 5 years if not jail time. we're not advocating arming all teachers, we're saying what if one CHLer was on campus when the shooting started.

i know I'm preaching to the choir here but i just had to get that off my chest, i was getting an aneurysm listening to some of those sheep.

and one person posted "what, the cops can't protect you anymore?" someone needs to make a PSA that tells the sheeple of the court case (which escapes me now) where it was determined the Gov. has no duty to protect you as an individual, only the population as a whole, with patrols and crime solving AFTER SOMEONES ALREADY HURT OR DEAD!!!!

i'd post this there but it would be like talking to a brick wall. and what part of "CONCEALED" don't they get the BG and Students won't know which teacher has a gun.

rant off/

i dont know if you have to register or not to post on that site but everyone has my permission to copy what i said and post it there, i'm not going to waist my time talking to them, i need to go teach a pig to sing.

[kw5kw]

I thought it was fly...

"When pig's fly!"

[TxFire]

I submit that if we actually taught discipline in the schools in the first place--like has been missing over the past couple of decades--then we would have fewer incidents as this in the first place.

I submit that the REAL lack of discipline is in the HOME. This problem started in the home and now these suit happy, sissy parents won't allow discipline to take place at school either. The schools should not be where discipline starts. WAKE UP PARENTS!! Don't blame the SCHOOL for what does not happen at home.

My wife teaches Kindergarten and even 5 year olds are not afraid of the principles office.

[isa268]

talking to an anti is like trying to teach a pig to sing, you won't get anywhere and it will only piss the pig off. or something like that.

[JKDubb]

I submit that if we actually taught discipline in the schools in the first place--like has been missing over the past couple of decades--then we would have fewer incidents as this in the first place.

The schools should not be where discipline starts. WAKE UP PARENTS!! Don't blame the SCHOOL for what does not happen at home.

[JKDubb]

What I know is that LEATHER on SKIN and most of the time through DENIM will put the fear of GOD in a child. I am a "Disipline your own kid and sometimes someones else's" advocate.

What is wrong with these 'parents' who can't control their kids???

When I came up ridilin ritilin, (ADHD medication <---Check spelling) was right on my Fathers waist and on whatever my Mother could reach quickly...

If I offended anyone... think about it!

A HUG is a powerful thing, as a matter of fact if you have small childeren go give them a hug and tell them you LOVE them.

Although I know that the folks that post on here are responsible people that take care of adult type stuff, I hate preaching to the chior...

[flintknapper]

talking to an anti is like trying to teach a pig to sing, you won't get anywhere and it will only piss the pig off. or something like that.

Pretty close.

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." Author unknown.

True either way though!

[Venus Pax]

Our children miss out on a lot of learning because they're undisciplined.
There are also legions of idiots working in schools that believe that ADHD and emotional disturbance are reasons not to use traditional discipline methods. (I teach. Although few teachers believe this, many of the policy-makers do.)
If you discover that your child is in a class that is out of control because one or two children aren't allowed to have consequences, go up to every office in the district and holler and scream about your child's right to an education. If that doesn't work, take it to the school board.

[RPBrown]

What I know is that LEATHER on SKIN and most of the time through DENIM will put the fear of GOD in a child. I am a "Disipline your own kid and sometimes someones else's" advocate.

What is wrong with these 'parents' who can't control their kids???

When I came up ridilin ritilin, (ADHD medication <---Check spelling) was right on my Fathers waist and on whatever my Mother could reach quickly...

If I offended anyone... think about it!

A HUG is a powerful thing, as a matter of fact if you have small childeren go give them a hug and tell them you LOVE them.

Although I know that the folks that post on here are responsible people that take care of adult type stuff, I hate preaching to the chior...

I agree 100%.

One of my shooting partners is a teacher at a semi local high school. He was telling me they had a dog in sniffing lockers last year. Even with metal detectors they found several guns and knives. When the parents were confronted all were indifferent on the situation. He was also attacked on his way to his car after school and beaten pretty badly by a student that he had given a bad grade to.

One of my daughters teaches middle school in SE Texas. She tells horror stories about parents attitudes.

I would rather have teachers armed to protect not only the students but also themselves.

It really has become bad times when we have to have this type of discussion.

[shootthesheet]

Speaking of pigs. There is a place in the Bible that says "Don't throw your pearls to the swine." If it is really that bad it may be time to move and get your children into a good school. Don't allow them to be rolled and trampled in a pig pen among the waste and corruption. I chose to live in a small town partly because I will not subject my children to people like that before they can handle it. No, we don't have many opportunities that are available in bigger schools. However, our schools do discipline children and kick out those that cause even minor trouble more than a few times. It isn't like it was when I was in school where we couldn't speak out of turn without getting in trouble. But, it is orderly and kids can learn. Just an opinion.