Not directly related to CHL, but supports a common element you generally find among those who carry...their head is out of the sand and they are aware that bad people do exist.
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Warriors & The Myth of Peace
Raymond S. Kraft
October 30, 2006
For however many thousands of years of human history there have been leading up to the 20th and 21st centuries, all tribes and civilizations, at least in their eras of growth, ascendancy, and power, were Warrior cultures. They were not all bloodthirsty and barbaric, but they were cultures and civilizations that held the Warriors among them in the highest esteem. For most of human history, the life and survival of the tribes and nations (tribes writ large) have always been too precarious and vulnerable to the barbarians at the gates, or across the river, for pacifism and indolence to flourish, and the Warriors of every tribe in history have been most highly esteemed because it was they, fighting and defeating the tribes' enemies, who made the life and survival of the individuals and the tribe, and the avoidance of death and slavery, possible.
Without Warriors, the tribe perishes.
When the Warriors fail, when the Warrior ethos fades, the power of the tribe withers, and in time it is absorbed by new conquerors, or taken into slavery, or slaughtered, and becomes just grist for the archeologists who will excavate its traces centuries or millennia later.
In the 20th century, perhaps for the first time in history, at least for the first time on so large a scale, we - Americans, Western Europeans - have perverted Liberal Democracy by eschewing the Warrior tradition (if tradition is, as Chesterton observed, "the democracy of the dead," the vote of our ancestors as to how things should be understood and done). Perhaps in a combination of revulsion and horror at the massive slaughter of World War II and the vaster slaughter that the weapons of today can inflict, and the achievement of a prosperity in America, and Western Europe, and most of what was once the British Empire, unprecedented in history, we have lulled ourselves into a lovely fantasy of "peace," as if by wanting it we could have it, the triumph of wishful thinking over historic reality.
The historic reality is that there has never been a long era of "peace," of the absence of conflict, anywhere on earth, in any historic time, that lasted more than a few decades, before large masses of humanity threw another tantrum, or succumbed to another grand mal seizure of violence on a national or multi-national scale. We ignore and forget this immutable truth at our peril.
We no longer read or recite Kipling's "God of our fathers, known of old, Lord of the far-flung battle line . . ." We gather instead in the Berkeley Amphitheater to sing:
"Imagine there's no countries
it isn't hard to do
nothing to kill or die for
no religion too
imagine all the people
living life in peace . . ."
- John Lennon's opium pipe dream ("Imagine") that has become the "national anthem" of the transnational "Nation of Liberalism," that expresses exquisitely the dream world of today's Neo-Socialists (and Neo-Socialist Democrats) on the Left who can no longer remember or imagine the harsher world and realities of their grandfathers, or even their fathers, the ones who went off to war against the predations of Communism and Nazism, or of ancestors who fought the slave culture of the American Confederacy or the rampages of Napoleon the length and breadth of Europe.
"Imagine" - has become our political vision - a hedonistic vision without a heaven or hell, a vision of "all the people, living for today," of a world without countries, tribes, or conflict, of a socialist or quasi-communist world without possessions, or without too many, without greed or hunger, of "a brotherhood of man" that is "sharing all the world," of a world that will "live as one." It is a nice vision in some ways, as niceness goes, but a completely delusional one, because not everyone, not all cultures, share our prosperity, or our desire for peace, or our antipathy towards Warriorism. Unlike the hedonic Liberalism of Europe and America, some cultures want to win and conquer and dominate and subjugate others. To the Liberals of Europe and America, Imperialism is a dirty word. To others, Imperialism is a great and noble goal and inspiration.
In The Brussels Journal, The Rape of Europe (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1609) Paul Belien writes:
"In a recent op-ed piece in the Brussels newspaper De Standard (23 October) the Dutch (gay and self-declared humanist) Oscar Van Den
Boogaard . . . says that to him coping with the Islamization of Europe is like 'a process of mourning.' He is overwhelmed by 'a feeling of
sadness.' 'I am not a warrior,' he says, 'but who is? I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was really good at enjoying it.'"
Belien writes:
"The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant . . . that young Europeans who love freedom, better
emigrate. Europe as we know it will no longer exist 20 years from now. Whilst sitting on a terrace in Berlin, Broder pointed to the other
customers and the passers-by and said melancholically, 'We are watching the world of yesterday.'"
ibid.
Some cultures hew far closer than we to the old tribal ways, ideas, ideologies, and visions of conquest by force and fighting, and the growing movement of Jihadism embraces those traditions with a vengeance. Many Americans and Western Europeans have yet to come to grips with the reality that the Imagining of the John Lennonists is merely a dream, and a dangerous one, that induces complacence and produces an emasculated culture that, like Oscar Van Den Boogaard, can no longer imagine defending itself, fighting for its own freedom. We face an implacable marriage of religious fervor and tribal Warriorism in the tide of Jihadism that harbors only disdain and contempt for all peace other than its own peace of its own imposition that follows conquest and subjugation, the peace of submission, the peace of Islamic domination and hegemony.
Van Den Boogaard may not think of himself as a Warrior, but the Jihadis who strategize and bomb to conquer Iraq and Somalia, Israel and Egypt and America, Bali and Spain and England do. They are the Warriors of Allah, who is greatly pleased by their martyrdom, who greatly rewards them in Paradise, and, like the Warriors of past centuries, they are the most highly exalted among their own peers and within their own culture. If Europe and America are to defend, protect, and perpetuate our own distinct cultures and freedoms, we will have to leave our child-like peace fantasies behind, and become Warrior cultures once more.
At least until Muslims adopt "Imagine" as the 6th Pillar of Islam.
General George Patton once advised:
"Not every man can be a soldier. To be a soldier is the highest profession of life; [it] comes closest to being a life like Christ who gave his
life for others, as we may do."
Quoted in General Patton's Principles for Life and Leadership by his wartime aide Porter B. Williamson (p. 132).
This is the understanding that Europe and America must recover if they, if we, are to resist successfully the Islamization by force and fear of Europe and ultimately of America. The societies that forget how to fight for their freedom cannot keep their freedom. And the societies, cultures, nations and tribes that forget the necessity of sustaining a Warrior culture have nothing with which to fight for their freedom.
Warriors & The Myth of Peace
Moderator: carlson1
I think it was put best by a character in one of my favorite science fiction TV shows:
You have to admit, nationalistic and religious ideals inspire quite a bit of disagreement, which can also lead to violence. It'd be nice to live in a world where I didn't feel the need to carry a gun every day. Unfortunately, I do not believe the human is capable of that.
You know, I think "Imagine" IS a beautiful pipe dream.susan Ivonava, Babylon 5 wrote: Sometimes peace is just another word for surrender.
You have to admit, nationalistic and religious ideals inspire quite a bit of disagreement, which can also lead to violence. It'd be nice to live in a world where I didn't feel the need to carry a gun every day. Unfortunately, I do not believe the human is capable of that.
.השואה... לעולם לא עוד
Holocaust... Never Again.
Some people create their own storms and get upset when it rains.
--anonymous
Holocaust... Never Again.
Some people create their own storms and get upset when it rains.
--anonymous
Fear will dissipate with understanding, unfortunately, the human mind is not advanced enough to allow for a great enough understanding to allow for every person on earth to agree, or at least to accept, everyone elses opinions.
People are so afraid that what they believe is wrong, that they have to put down everyone elses' paradigms and religious structures to try to vindicate their own.
People are so afraid that what they believe is wrong, that they have to put down everyone elses' paradigms and religious structures to try to vindicate their own.
cyphur wrote:Fear will dissipate with understanding, unfortunately, the human mind is not advanced enough to allow for a great enough understanding to allow for every person on earth to agree, or at least to accept, everyone elses opinions.
People are so afraid that what they believe is wrong, that they have to put down everyone elses' paradigms and religious structures to try to vindicate their own.

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