How would Judicial clemency affect a Utah CFP???

Mad4Pistols · Post by **Mad4Pistols** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:28 pm

I have a buddy that got a criminal mischief charge back when he was a kid. He got Judicial Clemency on it and is pretty sure that Texas won't give him the permit. Would Utah be available to him? Oh the things we do in our youth!!! They cometh back and bite you in the back side...!! I'd like to hear from the good folks on this forum as to the legallity...

Thanks

Post by **Crossfire** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:45 pm

I am not sure what "judicial clemency" means, but I can tell you that Utah, like Texas, is only concerned with felony grade juvenile offenses.

They will deny a permit for a violent felony grade juvenile offense for 10 years (Aggravated Arson, Aggravated Assault, Aggravated Kidnapping, Rape, Murder, Robbery)

The will deny a permit for a non-violent felony grade juvenile offense for 7 years (Distribute a Controlled Substance, Forgery, theft, Possession of stolen vehicle, Possession of controlled substance, Receive stolen property)

The time period does not begin until all confinement and probation have been completed and all fines paid.

If you still have questions, Utah will also let you speak to one of the investigators before you apply, to help you determine your eligibility. Call 801-957-8620. They do not have an 800 number.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:16 pm

llwatson wrote:I am not sure what "judicial clemency" means, but I can tell you that Utah, like Texas, is only concerned with felony grade juvenile offenses.

They will deny a permit for a violent felony grade juvenile offense for 10 years (Aggravated Arson, Aggravated Assault, Aggravated Kidnapping, Rape, Murder, Robbery)

The will deny a permit for a non-violent felony grade juvenile offense for 7 years (Distribute a Controlled Substance, Forgery, theft, Possession of stolen vehicle, Possession of controlled substance, Receive stolen property)

The time period does not begin until all confinement and probation have been completed and all fines paid.

If you still have questions, Utah will also let you speak to one of the investigators before you apply, to help you determine your eligibility. Call 801-957-8620. They do not have an 800 number.

Are your references to felony grade Utah references?

Mad4Pistols · Post by **Mad4Pistols** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:24 pm

He called the investigators in Utah and they told him with his paperwork from the State of Texas saying he has judicial clemency that it should be fine. So I know he appreciated the good input. Thank you llwatson.

P.S. I'll see you llwatson at the Irving, TX CFP (Utah) class... I'm bringing the buddy that's in question in this thread....

Post by **Crossfire** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:21 pm

txinvestigator wrote: Are your references to felony grade Utah references?

Yes, this was cut and pasted from the Utah Instructor's book. Do you think that Texas is different in the definition of felony grade juvenile delinquent conduct? Because, if they are, then I need to find out they go by what Utah says it would be in Utah, or what Texas said it was when it happened.

I already know we have some differences in Class C misdemeanors. For example, they say a Class C misdemeanor will get you denied for 3 years, but they don't include traffic offenses in that.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:25 pm

llwatson wrote:
txinvestigator wrote: Are your references to felony grade Utah references?
Yes, this was cut and pasted from the Utah Instructor's book. Do you think that Texas is different in the definition of felony grade juvenile delinquent conduct? Because, if they are, then I need to find out they go by what Utah says it would be in Utah, or what Texas said it was when it happened.

No, not completely. I asked about your reference because Texas CHL law does not differentiate between violent and non-violent felonies for juvenile records.

Post by **Crossfire** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:54 pm

Yeah... Utah is a little different. They have some eligibility requirements that are a bit confusing to us Texans. And, they are a little vague as to what the requirements are, on their website.