Log-Summary of Campus Carry Hearing 750 out of committee

[warhorse10_9]

Actually, I've been wanting to use this "smiley" ever since I joined, and I think this news is worth it:

Nice one!

[RPB]

So... HB 750 is headed to the calendar committe; its companion bill, SB 354, has been sitting in the criminal justice committee for 6 weeks. Any news from that side of the capitol?

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... Bill=SB354" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

not yet

I"m thinking they are sending 1 at a time ... if 750 passes, others like junior college one/faculty only one isn't needed ...
so probably a strategy in all others not moving yet on Senate and House.

If 750 later gets "jacked up" send in the next, repeat until something happens

So the others left "pending" and inaction in Senate may be on purpose.

[RPB]

I made it for the first two hours of the meeting. Before I left, the chairman, Rep. Sid Miller commented that after two hours of testimony, there were still more persons waiting to testify than at the beginning of the meeting.

I must commend the Chairman, Rep. Miller for his efficient, courteous and evenhanded conduct of the meeting.

It was so crowded that they had to open up TWO overflow rooms during the meeting.

There was LOTS of testimony but after 5 hours and 40 minutes HB 750 was voted favorably out of committee with a 5-3 vote.

If you would like to watch the meeting you can do so by clicking "Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee" on the following page:

http://www.house.state.tx.us/video-audi ... broadcast/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[RPB]

Caraway, Burnam, Walle voted no.

Here's the twitter version from John Woods' perspective
http://twitter.com/sgfstexas" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(earlier today for it: Miller, Beck, Burnham, Driver (surprise), and Peña.)

Carraway was opposed prior to the hearing according to a woods supporter phone call early today
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=147321258663894" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

you know Burnam

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Sometimes I wonder if State Capitol Metal Detectors caused any Legislators to go thru a chl class and see we "ain't so bad"

I liked Dr Holda's testimony and think if he didn't have to also represent the Junior/Community College organization he might have said even more positive things.

[Jasonw560]

I understand why this bill as opposed to HB 86 went through. My question is: How effective will this bill be, with the provision that schools can choose whether or not to let people CC? And will UT try to make it system-wide, so none of the schools can allow CC? How many actual colleges and universities will allow it? There needs to be a HUGE push on our side to have the schools a allow CC.

[baldeagle]

I understand why this bill as opposed to HB 86 went through. My question is: How effective will this bill be, with the provision that schools can choose whether or not to let people CC? And will UT try to make it system-wide, so none of the schools can allow CC? How many actual colleges and universities will allow it? There needs to be a HUGE push on our side to have the schools a allow CC.

Only private schools get that choice. UT won't have that option.

[warhorse10_9]

I understand why this bill as opposed to HB 86 went through. My question is: How effective will this bill be, with the provision that schools can choose whether or not to let people CC? And will UT try to make it system-wide, so none of the schools can allow CC? How many actual colleges and universities will allow it? There needs to be a HUGE push on our side to have the schools a allow CC.

That was a proposed amendment which was NOT included in the bill that passed the committee.
Only private institutions can decide, public institutions like UT can't.

@baldeagle Dang you just beat me.

[G26ster]

7) Guns don't belong on campus because really, really smart students from other states will no longer come here if we allow guns on our campuses.

I was really encouraged by this aspect, along with the "teaching assistants" who will seek to go elsewhere (out of Texas), if guns are allowed on campus. That's exactly what is needed, anti's going elsewhere.

What really did bug me though, was the lack of testimony by those for the bill about the lack of gun violence at the 71 out of state campuses that allow handguns. If it was mentioned early on, I missed it. What I did hear by those opposed was the same nonsense that was spouted in the mid-nineties when CHL was being considered - "blood in the streets."

[Jasonw560]

My faux pas. I misread the bill.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. My eyes are tired from watching sqUiggly green lines all day.

I wonder how many private schools will opt out? Trinity is one. TLU, being a school of the very liberal ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America), might do it, as well.

Edit: spelling errors

[RHenriksen]

What really did bug me though, was the lack of testimony by those for the bill about the lack of gun violence at the 71 out of state campuses that allow handguns. If it was mentioned early on, I missed it. What I did hear by those opposed was the same nonsense that was spouted in the mid-nineties when CHL was being considered - "blood in the streets."

Someone did mention that, near the end of the hearing.

[hirundo82]

I wonder how many private schools will opt out? Trinity is one. TLU, being a school of the very liberal ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America), might do it, as well.

I'd be willing to bet all of them do, with perhaps a small school or two as an exception. They can opt in now, and to my knowledge none of them have chosen to do so.

[Pawpaw]

One thing I can't figure out from the language in the bill...

If a private school decides to "opt out", do they have to post the "big ugly sign"?

[baldeagle]

My faux pas. I misread the bill.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. My eyes are tired from watching sqUiggly green lines all day.

I wonder how many private schools will opt out? Trinity is one. TLU, being a school of the very liberal ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America), might do it, as well.

Edit: spelling errors

Well, considering that any school that wants to can allow it now, I'd say the chances are extremely high that no private schools will allow it - until it becomes obvious that it isn't a problem, which should take a few years.

[ELB]

...Well, considering that any school that wants to can allow it now, I'd say the chances are extremely high that no private schools will allow it - until it becomes obvious that it isn't a problem, which should take a few years.

Have to disagree there -- it has been obvious for yeaqrs that CHL carry anywhere has not been a problem, but that does not sway "professional educators," (Dr. Holda being the exception that proves the rule). It will either have to be crammed down their throats (like at state universities/colleges) or the current class of educators will have to be replaced via attrition or revolution in how the academy is recruited and trained. Both, probably.

[RHenriksen]

...Well, considering that any school that wants to can allow it now, I'd say the chances are extremely high that no private schools will allow it - until it becomes obvious that it isn't a problem, which should take a few years.

Have to disagree there -- it has been obvious for yeaqrs that CHL carry anywhere has not been a problem, but that does not sway "professional educators," (Dr. Holda being the exception that proves the rule). It will either have to be crammed down their throats (like at state universities/colleges) or the current class of educators will have to be replaced via attrition or revolution in how the academy is recruited and trained. Both, probably.

Exactly. They have no problems suppressing freedom of speech (when that speech is not politically correct), I see no reason they'd bend on second amendment rights, either - the academic's 'right' to feel safe (delusional though that feeling may be) is a more important 'right' than one that's actually spelled out in the constitution.

And attrition is an unlikely means to achieving any change. Look at the self-selection process: who enters academia, by and large? Not 2A types (well, except for the hard sciences, and they're not the ones running the asylum). Any change to private universities would have to be forced upon them. Like desegregation in the south...