CHL is not ID?

[thatguy]

I had a student in one of my classes insist that his CHL was considered ID. It was my opinion that a CHL was NOT a form of ID. Can someone set me straight?

Thanks,

Brian Mobley

Texas CHL Instructor

[The Annoyed Man]

I'm not an instructor, but I've had Bank of the West accept my CHL as a second photo ID when setting up a new commercial account.

[Mike1951]

In the past, the state has considered it a supporting document.

However, the Voter ID bill just passed stipulates the CHL as one approved form of identification to vote.

Don't know whether this will alter the state's opinion of the CHL as ID.

Since '95, I've always been taught that the CHL was not ID.

[AEA]

It is a State Issued ID. Regardless of what DPS or anyone else might say.
It contains the State Seal and the signature of the Director of the DPS.
It contains a description and photo of the licensee.
It contains the address and DOB of the licensee.
It contains the TXDL number.
It contains the signature of the licensee.
Those 8 things are exactly the same as a TXDL.

A better question would be..........
Why do we even need a CHL ID to carry around when there is no longer a requirement to show it to a LEO? The only answer I have for that is it displays the category of handgun the licensee is authorized to carry.
Also to show to other States LEO's where still required.

If they could somehow link that category to our TXDL (as the holder of a CHL already is), there would be no need for them to make and send the CHL and they could possibly reduce the cost (and wait time) to receive the authority to carry.

[E.Marquez]

Texas DPS is on record as calling the CHL an acceptable form of ID.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/internetfo ... /DL-17.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Texas requires ID to vote, a CHL is valid for this requirement
http://www.ncsl.org/?tabid=16602#tx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sounds like a CHL is valid ID.

[sjfcontrol]

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A better question would be..........
Why do we even need a CHL ID to carry around when there is no longer a requirement to show it to a LEO? The only answer I have for that is it displays the category of handgun the licensee is authorized to carry.

The requirement to display your CHL when asked for ID by a LEO has not changed. Only the penalty has been removed.

[E.Marquez]

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A better question would be..........
Why do we even need a CHL ID to carry around when there is no longer a requirement to show it to a LEO? .

I believe you are misinformed.

You are still required to show your CHL upon being asked for ID, though true, the penilty for not showing it was changed, it,s still required to be shown.

[Mike1951]

In the past, the state has considered it a supporting document.

However, the Voter ID bill just passed stipulates the CHL as one approved form of identification to vote.

As I said, and as your link shows, it is currently only a supporting document, neither primary nor secondary identification.

[AEA]

I cannot get that first link to open. Get a message from Adobe that the .pdf file is damaged and cannot be repaired. If you have it saved somewhere, please post it as an attachment here.

[AEA]

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A better question would be..........
Why do we even need a CHL ID to carry around when there is no longer a requirement to show it to a LEO? .

I believe you are misinformed.

You are still required to show your CHL upon being asked for ID, though true, the penilty for not showing it was changed, it,s still required to be shown.

OK, I agree......
That can be changed too. At the same time they eliminate the CHL ID.

[sjfcontrol]

It's been explained in the past that the CHL is not a primary ID because YOU supply the picture. So they have no way to be sure the picture is actually you.

[USA1]

I went to the Department of Vital Statistics to obtain a certified copy of a birth certificate.
A Texas Concealed Handgun License was listed as an approved form of identification.

I was pleasantly surprised.

[E.Marquez]

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A better question would be..........
Why do we even need a CHL ID to carry around when there is no longer a requirement to show it to a LEO? .

I believe you are misinformed.

You are still required to show your CHL upon being asked for ID, though true, the penilty for not showing it was changed, it,s still required to be shown.

Cg 411.205
(a) If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license.

[Mike1951]

Identification Requirements for a Texas Driver License or Identification Card
NOTE: This page only outlines the identification requirements for receiving a Texas driver license or identification card. You must still meet all other requirements for a driver license or ID card. Additional documents may be required for other requirements.

A driver license is no longer used solely as authorization to drive. The driver license or identification cards are the nationally accepted forms of identification, and both are used daily to establish identity. Therefore, the Department has the responsibility to correctly determine an applicant's identity before issuing a driver license or identification card.

To satisfy the identity verification requirement for a Texas driver license or identification card, every applicant must present either one piece of:

Primary Identification:
These items are complete within themselves and require no supporting instruments: These documents must contain the applicant's complete name and full date of birth.

Primary identification
Must include full name, date of birth, and photo

Accepted for identification without additional documentation

Texas driver license (DL) or identification certificate (ID) with photo and within two years of expiration date

Unexpired United States passport book or passport card

United States Citizenship Certificate or Certificate of Naturalization with identifiable photo (N-560, N-561, N-645, N-550, N-55G, N-570 or N-578)

Unexpired DHS or USCIS document issued for a period of at least one year and must be valid for no less than six months from the date presented to the department with a completed application. The document must contain verifiable data and identifiable photo. Examples include:

US Citizen Identification Card (I-179 or I-197)
Permanent Resident Card (I-551)
Temporary Resident Identification Card (I-688)
Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
U.S. Travel Document (I-327 or I-571)
Advance Parole Document (I-512 or I-512L)
I-94 stamped Sec. 208 Asylee with photo
I-94 stamped Sec. 207 Refugee with photo
American Indian Card (I-872)
Northern Mariana card (I-873)
Transportation Workers Identification Card
Foreign Passport, visa (valid or expired), and Form I-94 with an undefined expiration date (e.g., duration of stay)

Foreign Passport, visa (valid or expired), and Form I-94 with a defined expiration date. The Form I-94 must have been issued for a period of at least one year and have at least six months validity remaining.

Unexpired United States military ID card for active duty, reserve, or retired personnel with identifiable photo

Secondary identification
These items are recorded governmental documents (United States, one of the fifty states, a United States territory, District of Columbia, or Canadian province).

Secondary identification
Recorded governmental documents
(includes full name and date of birth)

An applicant must present either: two secondary documents or one secondary and two supporting documents
to establish identity

Original or certified copy of a birth certificate issued by the appropriate State Bureau of Vital Statistics or equivalent agency from a U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia, or a Canadian province. A birth record issued by a hospital is not acceptable under this category.

Original or certified copy of U.S. Dept. of State Certification of Birth Abroad (issued to U. S. citizens born abroad) (Form FS-240, DS-1350, or FS-545)

Original or certified copy of court order with name and date of birth (DOB) indicating an official change of name and/or gender from a U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia, or Canadian province.

Supporting Identification:
These items consist of other records or documents that aid examining personnel in establishing the identity of the applicant. The following items are not all inclusive. The examining or supervisory personnel may determine that an unlisted document meets the department's needs in establishing identity.

Supporting identification
Additional records and documents that
aid in establishing identity

An applicant must present one secondary and two supporting documents to establish identity

Social Security card (actual card)

Forms W-2 or 1099

Numident record from the Social Security Administration

Temporary receipt for a Texas driver license or ID (actual receipt)

Driver license or ID issued by another U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia, or Canadian province (unexpired or within two years of the expiration date) (actual card) *

Expired Texas driver license or ID (expired more than two years) (actual card)

School records* (e.g., report cards, photo ID cards)

Military records (e.g., Form DD-214)

Unexpired U.S. military dependant identification card (actual card)

Original or certified copy of marriage license or divorce decree (U.S. jurisdiction or foreign jurisdiction – if the document is not in English, a certified translation must accompany it)

Voter registration card (actual card)*

Pilot's license (actual card)*

Concealed handgun license (actual card)*

Professional license issued by Texas state agency

ID card issued by government agency*

A valid consular document issued by a state or national government

Texas Inmate ID card or similar form of ID issued by TDCJ

TDCJ parole or mandatory release certificate

Federal inmate identification card

Federal parole or release certificate

Medicare or Medicaid card (actual card)

Selective Service card (actual card)

Immunization records*

Tribal membership card from federally-recognized tribe

Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood

Unexpired foreign passport

Insurance policy (e.g., auto, home, life) (valid continuously for the past two years)

Texas Vehicle title (TRC §521.144)

Current Texas vehicle registration

Current Texas boat registration or title

Veteran’s Administration card (actual card)

Hospital issued birth record*

*This document must be issued by an institution, entity, or government from a U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia, or Canadian province.


Supervisory personnel may determine that an unlisted document meets the Department’s needs in establishing identity in the “supporting” category only. You must visit your local driver license office if you have questions regarding acceptable documents.

All documents must be verifiable by the source that issued the document. Additional documentation may be required by driver license personnel to verify conflicting information, incomplete names, and date of birth.

[E.Marquez]

It's been explained in the past that the CHL is not a primary ID because YOU supply the picture. So they have no way to be sure the picture is actually you.

Is this stated someplace in law?

Or just an informed opinion?

I ask, because I can find no reference in Texas statutes or law by Internet searching that leads me to your opinion.

Knowledge is good, knowledge supported by facts and cites of legal opinion or law is better.

Edit,, yes I can see DPS lists the CHL as a secondary form,,, what have not read anyplace is the reason for classification as such (ie picture supplied by owner, or what ever)