Companies posting 30.06 according to TSRA

O6nop · Post by **O6nop** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:30 pm

I was looking at the TSRA website, probably for the first time, and I came across a page that listed Texas businesses that post 30.06 signs.

http://tsra.com/index.php?p=page&id=82

While most of them were retail or service type establishments, I was surprised that there were a few non-retail companies listed, such as Ford Motor Company (Parts) , Carrollton; Hewlett Packard, Richardson; and Texas Instruments, Dallas.
As I said, these places aren't meant for people coming in off the street, they are for employees. I take this as one of two ways, good and bad...

Good - They don't allow CC in the building but might allow on their property such as in your personal vehicle in the parking lot. This would be a step forward and the companies should be applauded for voluntarily allowing firearms on business premises in what is now attempting to be legislated.

Bad - Employee policy isn't enough for these companies, they would want to prosecute for anyone bringing a firearm in the building (or on company premises).

Does anyone have any insight (facts) on this issue?

AG-EE · Post by **AG-EE** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:44 pm

Well, TI is posted at the gates to the parking lots I believe, so no, they don't allow them in parking lots.

HEMIzygote · Post by **HEMIzygote** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:15 pm

I saw Grapevine Mills Mall posted on there. Haven't been to the mall in a while, so I'm not sure if they have corrected the signs. But they used to be in font less than 1" and did not have the spanish translation.

Post by **carlson1** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:32 pm

HEMIzygote wrote:I saw Grapevine Mills Mall posted on there. Haven't been to the mall in a while, so I'm not sure if they have corrected the signs. But they used to be in font less than 1" and did not have the spanish translation.

They are correct on some of the main doors. There are still stores that are not posted that you enter such as Bed Bath and Beyond and Burlington. I was told by a DPS friend (in fact today at lunch) that Grapevine PD is not CHL friendly, but that was his thoughts.

HEMIzygote · Post by **HEMIzygote** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:41 pm

carlson1 wrote:
HEMIzygote wrote:I saw Grapevine Mills Mall posted on there. Haven't been to the mall in a while, so I'm not sure if they have corrected the signs. But they used to be in font less than 1" and did not have the spanish translation.
They are correct on some of the main doors. There are still stores that are not posted that you enter such as Bed Bath and Beyond and Burlington. I was told by a DPS friend (in fact today at lunch) that Grapevine PD is not CHL friendly, but that was his thoughts.

Thanks for the reply! Great....Grapevine PD no likely CHLs. Just perfect since they always pull me over....

So if you stroll into the mall through the BBB entrance, can you legally carry since there was no sign posted. I'm not saying I am, just curious how the law works around that.

O6nop · Post by **O6nop** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:35 pm

So, is the purpose of the list to give CHL holders the opportunity to refrain from doing business with them? I can see refusing to be customers of the retail shops, banks and such that post, but why would the average CHL holder want to go on TI or HP propwerty anyway? The employees obviously know about the rule, they can choose to work or not work for the company. Should we consider TI to be anti-gun and refuse to by their products? Every computer and televisions contain lots of TI parts.

I'm just looking for the purpose of this list.

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:53 pm

O6nop wrote:So, is the purpose of the list to give CHL holders the opportunity to refrain from doing business with them? I can see refusing to be customers of the retail shops, banks and such that post, but why would the average CHL holder want to go on TI or HP property anyway? The employees obviously know about the rule, they can choose to work or not work for the company. Should we consider TI to be anti-gun and refuse to by their products? Every computer and televisions contain lots of TI parts.

I'm just looking for the purpose of this list.

Not everyone who enters the premises will be employees. There are vendors and customers also.

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:33 pm

Quote: "I was told by a DPS friend (in fact today at lunch) that Grapevine PD is not CHL friendly ... "

He nailed it.

O6nop · Post by **O6nop** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:38 pm

Liberty wrote:

Not everyone who enters the premises will be employees. There are vendors and customers also.

This is true and it is the legal right of a company to post a 30.06 sign. And that may be why they post, for the benefit of the customers (non-retail customers) and vendors so if for whatever reason they thought it might be OK, then they won't be denied as business associates because of their company policy.

But why are we being told by the TSRA that they are posting signs? Should we refrain from using anything with TI parts? Such as the computers we are using to view this website? Should we petition them to remove the signs despite the fact that we will never have to heed it (unless we are an employee, vendor or business customer)? Shall we label them 'anti-gun' and refuse to invest in them?

How is the average CHL holder supposed to take this information? If they are anti-gun then I'll trade in my stock right away!

Sailor · Post by **Sailor** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:24 am

Central KIA automobile dealership on Central Expressway(75) in Plano is posted....I was looking for a used car for my daughter last year and noticed a Jeep Cherokee on their lot and thought I'd check on it. The salesman was decent enough and we made a "deal" (Let the games begin) that he could take to his sales manager. As we entered the store above the glass front doors was the 30.06 sign. I informed him that I could not enter nor could I purchase the Jeep from him because of the dealerships position on CHL. I thought that since I was writing a check I might get an audience with the powers that be...NOT!!! The salesman said that they sometimes have children in the dealership as a reason for the sign...I replied, "that is the perfect reason to take it down," and left.

Cody

glocklvr · Post by **glocklvr** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:09 pm

Interresting site I had not realized that the Abilene Reporter News was not CHL friendly. I just cancelled my subscription with them and listed their position on CHL as the reason why I will never do business with them again.

Post by **carlson1** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:32 pm

Welcome Sailor to the Forum.

jimlongley · Post by **jimlongley** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:16 pm

Sailor wrote:Central KIA automobile dealership on Central Expressway(75) in Plano is posted....I was looking for a used car for my daughter last year and noticed a Jeep Cherokee on their lot and thought I'd check on it. The salesman was decent enough and we made a "deal" (Let the games begin) that he could take to his sales manager. As we entered the store above the glass front doors was the 30.06 sign. I informed him that I could not enter nor could I purchase the Jeep from him because of the dealerships position on CHL. I thought that since I was writing a check I might get an audience with the powers that be...NOT!!! The salesman said that they sometimes have children in the dealership as a reason for the sign...I replied, "that is the perfect reason to take it down," and left.

Cody

Cody, you doubtless recall my experience with those same idiots. I told them that I could not enter, and they tried to tell me that they could give me permission- and then I informed them that permission or not it was a philosophical objection to the sign in the first place. Then the "sales manager" came out and tried, first, to tell me that the City of Plano had required them to put up the sign (patently untrue) and that he was a CHL and HE didn't have a problem with the sign. I told him it was discrimination against law abiding citizens, tossed him one of my cards (that he left on the ground) and almost backed over his foot getting out of there.

I wrote to KIA about their policy, and have never received the courtesy of a reply, and since wrote them about the TWO new cars I bought this year and how they missed those sales.

Which way do you go when going up to JPGC, up 30?

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:39 pm

jimlongley wrote:
Cody, you doubtless recall my experience with those same idiots. I told them that I could not enter, and they tried to tell me that they could give me permission- and then I informed them that permission or not it was a philosophical objection to the sign in the first place. Then the "sales manager" came out and tried, first, to tell me that the City of Plano had required them to put up the sign (patently untrue) and that he was a CHL and HE didn't have a problem with the sign. I told him it was discrimination against law abiding citizens, tossed him one of my cards (that he left on the ground) and almost backed over his foot getting out of there.

I wrote to KIA about their policy, and have never received the courtesy of a reply, and since wrote them about the TWO new cars I bought this year and how they missed those sales.

Which way do you go when going up to JPGC, up 30?

Not withstanding their opposition to the right to bear arms, It's probably a real bad idea to bussiness with someone who spews lies so easily. A dealer that will lie about being forced to post a 30.06 will certainly find it easy to lie about contract or warrentee issues.

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:00 pm

Liberty wrote:Not withstanding their opposition to the right to bear arms, It's probably a real bad idea to bussiness with someone who spews lies so easily.

Errr... we're talking car dealers here, you know.