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You're right. This highlights the racist nature of gun control.RPB wrote:Except us Indians ...
because I gripe about how the vineyard got screwed up while the husbandman was away ...(How stuff got so screwed up as to have bans on this and that ... etc)Note what I said earlier, we still don't talk of going to England from France before coming here, though we do talk of 2 Indian marriages we used to only whisper about around cowboyshttp://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/? ... =TOC_64589&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
14) in 1797, Norfolk County issued a certificate stating that William Bass was of Indian and English descent, and that his Indian line of ancestry ran directly back to the early 18th century elder in a traditionalist section of Nansemonds on the reservation;
(17) a Methodist mission established around 1850 for Nansemonds is currently a standard Methodist congregation with Nansemond members;
Cherokee descent here... remember that the Bill of Rights did not GIVE us our freedoms. It was a contract by the gvt to keep their hands off of our God given rights.RPB wrote:Right, and now you can see why I'm so gun-rights oriented, we (Nansemond Indians) had obtained rights to bear arms in 1727 before there was a Declaration of Independence, much less a USA ... but we "got rights" from the County (Government) and are still fighting to keep them.
LOL
If the govt ever connects my twitter alias and my geneology and posts here ... I'll probably end up on a "no-fly" list
I wish I had recorded all I heard as a kid sitting around with relatives, stories passed down, about the Constitution/Decl of Indep/Mayflower Compact and their relationship to our Church's articles of faith, government structure etc. There's still many many "elders" in our family ... we're "primitive" (Primitive Baptists, like many Basses are all over the Nation, but mom was a Methodist ... like many *other* Nanesmond Indians are)Note what I said earlier, we still don't talk of going to England from France before coming here, though we do talk of 2 Indian marriages we used to only whisper about around cowboyshttp://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/? ... =TOC_64589&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
14) in 1797, Norfolk County issued a certificate stating that William Bass was of Indian and English descent, and that his Indian line of ancestry ran directly back to the early 18th century elder in a traditionalist section of Nansemonds on the reservation;
(17) a Methodist mission established around 1850 for Nansemonds is currently a standard Methodist congregation with Nansemond members;
So, I'm also part Cherokee too, but details of that was less mentioned, not sure why.... probably a between tribe racial thing ... We've always been kinda non-conformists, both Basses and Adamses. Maybe we got that way on the boat over here, nah, we were prior to that ... we left France ...oooops Shhhhh I mean we left England (after we left France to go to England) ... Some relative older than I will probably read this and slap me at the reunion in June. We don't talk about France 
I agree with your statement and outlook on gun control in that it is DESIGNED to disarm various groups of people so that "the government" (as a political entity) can exert its will over them...be that our modern quasi-socialist bureaucratic elitist/intelligentsia-led state who dearly wish us to be more like Europe, or the disarming of the Armenians to facilitate genocide, or the British crown to put down anti-taxation rebellion by the colonists...its NEVER to reduce crime or anything of the sort...but always to facilitate some sort of coercion...seamusTX wrote:You're right. This highlights the racist nature of gun control.RPB wrote:Except us Indians ...
Indians and blacks were considered second-class citizens or worse, and often were denied or limited in the arms that they could possess.
What I meant is that no legislature considered free white citizens subject to laws about what they could own or carry. It was only during Reconstruction that certain parties found it helpful to disarm other parties, along with newly freed blacks.
- Jim
Got me thinking now ... if the Republic of Texas had reciprocity with the County in Virginia before the United States existed (kidding ...as they couldn't have)...remember that the Bill of Rights did not GIVE us our freedoms.
(Wouldn't count on it, but I might look for it ... could be a fun argument with an anti some day)
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According to homeland security, being in a militia is a reason to deny you hunting rifles, not a reason to approve tax free M4s.tommyg wrote:Are pro-gun organizations and shoting clubs legally a militia ???????? If so then
their members should be exempt from laws usurping the right to keep and bear arms????????
Using the Original Meaning Theory, we understand the Second Amendment’s phrase “well regulated” as “well-trained and efficient,” because that was its meaning to an ordinary and reasonable person living in 1790.(11) Gun prohibitionists, however, interpret “well regulated” as “under substantial regulatory control,” because, according to their preposterous model, the Founders’ meaning is “alive” and can “grow” to suit the needs of future politicians and bureaucrats. Justice Scalia notes: “You would have to be an idiot to believe [in a living Constitution]. The Constitution is not a living organism, it is a legal document. It says something and doesn’t say other things.”
The meaning of the Second Amendment’s fourth word, “militia,” also has been hijacked by Living Constitution cultists. The militia in 1790 was universally understood to comprise all male citizens capable of taking up arms. Yet many gun prohibitionists insist that the Second Amendment’s “militia” must today refer to the National Guard!
Mulivor, Philip (2012-01-18). Proclaiming Liberty: What Patriots and Heroes Really Said About the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (Kindle Locations 109-111). Brightman Press. Kindle Edition.
Rebuttal quotes include this cautionary note from Thomas Jefferson:Mulivor, Philip (2012-01-18). Proclaiming Liberty: What Patriots and Heroes Really Said About the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (Kindle Locations 112-114). Brightman Press. Kindle Edition.On every question of construction, [let us] carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was past [i.e., passed].
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