Hunting Magazine writer makes career-ending error?

[dihappy]

Sure, anyone can be persuaded to change their mind or see things differently.

Maybe Zumbo has changed and does now see the error of his ways. Maybe he even purchases and becomes an avid shooter of an AR15.

But the companies and sponsors have to make business decisions.

I also think that Zumbo may have helped the anti's in a big, and irreparable way. This may only be the beginning of a domino effect.

[flintknapper]

I also think that Zumbo may have helped the anti's in a big, and irreparable way. This may only be the beginning of a domino effect.

Yup!


Intentionally...or not, he has done us all a great disservice.

[longtooth]

Agree w/ the above.
I know he has said he was wrong & changed his mind.
Now he must prove what he says about change is true over a long period of time just the same as I have to verify day by day what I have said in 2800 previous posts & what I preach every Sunday.
Character & credibility take a life time to build & one stupid statement or action to destroy.
We must watch what we say as carefully as we watch our 2-10 backtrail.

That friendly fire took its tole.

[Liberty]

I also think that Zumbo may have helped the anti's in a big, and irreparable way. This may only be the beginning of a domino effect.

Yup!


Intentionally...or not, he has done us all a great disservice.

I think the way this all turned out he inadvertently did us all a favor and a lot of good has come out of this.

1: Although his words have already been quoted by the Brady's they don't present any reasonable arguement. since he has since recanted. Zumbo's words haven't and won't convince anyone of anything.

2: We the RKBAers have proven that more than ever before we can be quickly mobilize The response back was quick and precise. This was pure grass roots, it wasn't the evil gun lobbyist it wasn't the NRA it was just us gun owners. The Congress critters going into this session already have indicated they didn't want to take us on, and that they sympathized with us. This week they learned how powerful force we can be. They noticed, we got their attention.

3: We learned something, we learned the importance of unity. Hunters and traditionalist need to understand their rights are tied in with CHLers and evil black gun owners. The battle is about rights, not approval of certain guns.

Sometimes bad actions have great and wondrous results. I see the actions of a silly petty man having a great influence to our favor. As we speak the new assault ban bill lies in a comma in committee with no one daring to further it. Mr. Zumbo unwittingly nailed this one into the coffin.

[flintknapper]

I also think that Zumbo may have helped the anti's in a big, and irreparable way. This may only be the beginning of a domino effect.

Yup!


Intentionally...or not, he has done us all a great disservice.

I think the way this all turned out he inadvertently did us all a favor and a lot of good has come out of this.

1: Although his words have already been quoted by the Brady's they don't present any reasonable argument. since he has since recanted. Zumbo's words haven't and won't convince anyone of anything.

2: We the RKBAers have proven that more than ever before we can be quickly mobilize The response back was quick and precise. This was pure grass roots, it wasn't the evil gun lobbyist it wasn't the NRA it was just us gun owners. The Congress critters going into this session already have indicated they didn't want to take us on, and that they sympathized with us. This week they learned how powerful force we can be. They noticed, we got their attention.

3: We learned something, we learned the importance of unity. Hunters and traditionalist need to understand their rights are tied in with CHLers and evil black gun owners. The battle is about rights, not approval of certain guns.

Sometimes bad actions have great and wondrous results. I see the actions of a silly petty man having a great influence to our favor. As we speak the new assault ban bill lies in a comma in committee with no one daring to further it. Mr. Zumbo unwittingly nailed this one into the coffin.

We will have to disagree that any good (let alone..." a lot") has come from this.

Yes, there was an immediate and quite widespread reaction to what Mr. Zumbo said. I believe this was because gun owners found it particularly reprehensible that someone "from within" expressed such a turncoat set of ideas.

The "Brady's" and other anti-gun groups will NEVER put into print Mr. Zumbo's retraction. You may be assured.. though, that they WILL use (and twist) his statements to their every advantage. While I agree that no "reasonable argument" should arise from this, we can not expect that their target audience is in anyway "reasonable" (in respect to gun control.)

You correctly point out that at a grass roots level, gun owners are able to "quickly mobilize". I am encouraged to see this, and if this same reaction were applied at the voting booth then I would be more inclined to agree with you about " a lot of good" having been done.

Unfortunately, I find the average gun owner to be rather complacent about their 2nd amendment rights. So, although you can point to a "Silver Lining" around the dark cloud Mr. Zumbo has stirred up....that lining is razor thin IMO, and is not likely to be illuminating.

In these political times...we can ill afford to be divided (at any level) as concerns lawful gun ownership and RKBA.

Grass roots is great, but the fact is: It takes large, well funded, aggressive organizations to get things done in Washington.

It troubles me greatly.. that a paltry 4 million members of the NRA (and a handful of other organizations) continue to "carry" the rest of America's gun owners on our backs. If the "grass roots" would wake up and take action in the form of monetary support for the organizations already in place, we would not have the anti's to deal with. "Ability and good intentions" achieve nothing unless acted upon.

Sorry for the rant....getting down off of soapbox now.


Flint

[Liberty]

Flint
I suppose that I have to have faith in grassroots. The TSRA and NRA have taken stands against my political party. so in consious I can not give them a bloody cent. At least until they at least recognize us. Grass roots activism is the only choice a Libertarian has. I personally will support candidates that support TSRA/NRA issues, and send emails letters and faxes what ever it takes. The stand they took with the LP was anti-gun

[flintknapper]

Flint
I suppose that I have to have faith in grassroots. The TSRA and NRA have taken stands against my political party. so in conscious I can not give them a bloody cent. At least until they at least recognize us. Grass roots activism is the only choice a Libertarian has. I personally will support candidates that support TSRA/NRA issues, and send emails letters and faxes what ever it takes. The stand they took with the LP was anti-gun

I'd have to say that your position is a unique one, but certainly not without merit.

I do remember you posting something about this not long ago, and I can't say I disagree with you.

My post was aimed more at the general gun owning populace, but I realize and appreciate that some people have convictions that do not allow them to support certain groups. I do not agree with everything the NRA puts forth, it has (by necessity) changed dramatically in the 40 years I've kept up with them.

Thank you very much for supporting gun ownership, the RKBA, and for being an ambassador for this cause... in every way you can.

That is much more than some people are doing, and I will never have a quarrel with that.

Good on ya!

[zx9rt1]

It made the MSN home page.





http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17307316/?GT1=9033

[Liberty]

That is much more than some people are doing, and I will never have a quarrel with that.

Good on ya!

While I might have a beef with them, I know their membership has some of the finest people on this earth, and that they fight the good fight.

[Greybeard]

That MSN article look like the same Bkaine Harden who evidently had him put The Washington Post "spin" on it:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01709.html

[flintknapper]

It made the MSN home page.





http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17307316/?GT1=9033

Welcome ZX,

Thanks for the link.

It is a balanced and fair report of the incident IMO. Hooray, for the author of this article, he presented "both sides", not something that is always done in todays media.

Something timely that I noticed...was an element of what "Liberty" alluded to in his posts previous to this one. "Grassroots" involvement, and the "Shot across the bow" of congress.

Seems he may have a better feel for the "pulse" of things than I.

I sincerely hope he is right, and I may need to issue a public apology if this whole "Zumbo thing" turns out working to our advantage, more than it does against us.



Flint.

[Greybeard]

"Shot across Congress’ bow"

Yep, methinks that type of sub-head and what follows might just get Ms. Nancy to at least get that I'm-really-a bigtime-somebody-now smile off her face and pay attention.

[O6nop]

It seems that "Outdoor Journalists" in general like speaking out against the NRA. Of course, this is their right. So far, they are picking on the NRA, where Zumbo actually tried defaming an entire class of gunowners. They seem to have the idea that NRA is secretly anti-hunting. That they don't do enough to preserve hunting rights.

Pat Wray -
http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/20 ... 1_wray.txt
Tony Dean -
http://www.tonydean.com/issues.html?sectionid=7105

I'm not sure about this, I haven't done a lot of research yet but my gut reaction tells me that the NRA does a great deal to support hunting. Especially with youth. They have introductory classes, safety and many other programs to get youngsters interested in hunting by means of introducing them to guns. By doing this, they encourage future generations of gun owners who will hopefully support gun ownership rights. The old established hunters, the ones with the power of the pen, appear to be dismissing this as support. They offer other programs that help women, law enforcement and competition. They are a benchmark in safety programs. NRA is trying to preserve and enhance the rights of all gunowners. It would be hard to hunt without guns.

[stevie_d_64]

3: We learned something, we learned the importance of unity. Hunters and traditionalist need to understand their rights are tied in with CHLers and evil black gun owners. The battle is about rights, not approval of certain guns.

This is the biggest thing I have noticed since all of this hit the fan...

And there is some significant history to this pervasive attitude with some of the hunters and "traditionalists" (ironically) who absolutely do not understand the wide ranging effects of the gun control movement...It may not trickle down right away, but once the first chink in the armor is gone, the domino effect will start, and its only a matter of time before the gun owning community (AS A WHOLE) is so weakened and demagogged that any attempt to fight the battles at that point is a futile gesture...

I only point to how it was done in other countries we know all too well at this point...

I have never damned or spoken ill at all (or even had a reason to do so) about the hunting community, and will not begin to even now...

If the argument could be boiled down to a few simple retorts to their (gun-control) argument could be made...Its the need to keep the argument to what we should be stating that gun ownership, and "self-defense" is an inalienable right (endowed by the creator "higher authority") and that any attempt to regulate, confiscate, ban, classify as un-necessary to own or posess a means to effectively accomplish this right is a violation of the intent of the founding principles enumerated in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence...

Plain and simple...Any attempt to deviate from that is playing into their hands...

And even though I applaud and support efforts in law to expand or protect that inalienable right, I feel that, as well, is playing into the gun-controls agenda...Because that takes the focus away from the simple founding principles that we can use every single time an attack is made on those principles, and allows their attacks to be bolder and more effective...

Everyone who feels as passionate as I do, understand that its important to have the correct ammunition to take into battle on this, but sometimes its the simplest argument, and facts, that could really be the best to load up with...

Again, just my opinion...

[HankB]

That MSN article look like the same Bkaine Harden who evidently had him put The Washington Post "spin" on it:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01709.html

FWIW, Blaine Hardin's Washington Post story was reprinted on page A6 of the Austin American Statesman today (Sunday, 02/26/07) along with a picture of Zumbo in the field with a bear he'd shot.