SPRINGFIELD EMP ?

[ScubaSigGuy]

Does anyone have any feedback on this weapon? I am considering making a purchase and I was wondering if anybody here has shot one. I know that CH has a review on it this month, but who believes magazine reviews?

[Stupid]

Sorry, you already have the Ultra CDP II, what are you looking for in EMP? They are essentially the same guns, but made by different manuf.

[Ranger+P+]

I have to disagree on that one, the EMP is chambered for 9mm, .40s/w and .45GAP and not .45ACP--the EMP is a different gun altogether in construction and feel than a Kimber; it is more of a pocket pistol with a Colt Commander Officer look and make. It has a 3" bbl and weighs in at a scant 23 oz! It has a 9+1 capacity and has tritium night sights standard. I shot one last week in 9mm at a Training class I attended--I liked it, but ofcourse I like all Springfields, I own 3 (2 XD's and a Loaded 1911).

[Stupid]

You are right about the caliber, but they are still essentially the same guns, 1911 styles. I guess a good comparison is Kimber Ageis (how do you pronouce this word???)

My feeling towards all 1911 styles is kind of iffy. Not to the guns, but to the manufactures. Just get ready to pay some $$$ for different mags and warranty repairs. Don't know why, these companies just don't know how to produce guns with out-of-box reliability like so many others such as sig, glock and beretta.

I do have a Ultra CDP II which i carry mostly because of its size. I bought it new and had to send it back to get it fixed. seems ok now, but I still have to shoot more to verify.

[Ranger+P+]

It was the same for me and 1911's-I was skeptical also. My first gun when I started as a Contractor was a Glock 21--I fell in love with that gun. you could treat it like a lawnmower and it would function. I stayed away from high end 1911's for that very reason, to me they looked more like showpieces that tools. I started expanding my collection over the years and eventually traded my Glock in for a XD .45ACP Service, a better gun in my opinion. I also bought 3 Sigs and two 1911's-- a SA Loaded and a STI Ranger II. I ran them through a gauntlet of test, being hard on them and basically treating them like a work pistol. I found them to be more tempermental than my other guns, but still reliable.

Guns are tools meant to be used, not petted. You have to find what works for you and stay with it.

[TX Rancher]

I have several 1911 style weapons in 45 ACP, and with the exception of the Para and Les Baer, were reliable right out of the box. My Kimber has gone through classes with me where Glocks and Sigs failed.

I also own Glocks, and find them to be excellent weapons. But they’re not perfect either. While mine, so far, have always worked, I have seen many in classes that have failed. Was it the weapon, the operator, the ammo, or a combination? It really doesn’t mater, the bottom line is the weapon did not go bang when it was supposed to.

So what if I can go more rounds in a Glock without cleaning then I can a 1911. My 1911’s have gone ~800-1,000 rounds in a day before they were cleaned that evening for the next day of class. When am I realistically going to be in a situation where I’m depending on > 1,000 rounds for my self defense?

What maters to me is my ability with a given weapon to reliably put metal on target, not some arbitrary test such as number of rounds before cleaning, soaking in a stream for days, freezing in a block of ice, or running over it with a truck. In my world, these are not realistic tests, they’re marketing ploys (effective ones, but still marketing).

But then I don’t put much credence in 1911 claims of sub-MOA. I’m a civilian now and I carry for self defense. I probably won’t be taking shots where sub-MOA is required.

I also don’t buy into the claim 8 rnds of 45 ACP trumps 15 rounds of 9mm every time.

So to me it breaks down to how reliable is a given weapon in your hand. If the combo works, you’re good to go. If it doesn’t, then go to something else. Don’t get hung up on name or the mystique of a “torture test�.

By the way, my major carry weapons are currently 1911, G19, and G26, and I feel comfortable with each of them…or else I wouldn’t carry them.

[Liberty]

So what if I can go more rounds in a Glock without cleaning then I can a 1911. My 1911’s have gone ~800-1,000 rounds in a day before they were cleaned that evening for the next day of class. When am I realistically going to be in a situation where I’m depending on > 1,000 rounds for my self defense?

What maters to me is my ability with a given weapon to reliably put metal on target, not some arbitrary test such as number of rounds before cleaning, soaking in a stream for days, freezing in a block of ice, or running over it with a truck. In my world, these are not realistic tests, they’re marketing ploys (effective ones, but still marketing).

A lot of the importance of these torture test might depend on the routine of the person who is carrying. Some one who works behind a desk might not be as concerned on how much of a beating his concealed carry gets. A mechanic or a rancher is not only beating up his body, but his concealed carry is likey recieving a few wacks during the day. If someone comes home covered with mud and dirt every day, its likely that his carry piece is getting pretty cruddy too.

[Skiprr]

I guess a good comparison is Kimber Ageis (how do you pronouce this word???)

Don't ask me how I know this without looking it up; it's a long story. Aegis is correctly pronounced "EE jiss." It's Latin, from the Greek "aigis." In mythology, Aegis was the shield of Zeus; so the English word, a noun, came to mean "under the protection of," or "defended by."

[TX Rancher]

A lot of the importance of these torture test might depend on the routine of the person who is carrying. Some one who works behind a desk might not be as concerned on how much of a beating his concealed carry gets. A mechanic or a rancher is not only beating up his body, but his concealed carry is likey recieving a few wacks during the day. If someone comes home covered with mud and dirt every day, its likely that his carry piece is getting pretty cruddy too.

I agree with your comments. Many days I come in with my carry weapon filthy with horse sweat, mud, etc. It's also not "pretty" after a few months of hitting fence posts, truck doors, and cattle gates.

But for years my 1911's went though that routine, and worked reliably for me, as have my Glocks.

[ScubaSigGuy]

Sorry, you already have the Ultra CDP II, why are you looking for in EMP? They are essentially the same guns, but made by different manuf.

I wanted a 9mm option in a 1911 style pistol. Sure, I could have more rounds with my Springfield XD, but is that really necessary? I don't work in LE and 8-10rds plus a spare mag should be good enough for any situation that might arise. If we get into a higher threat level, then concealment won't be as iumportant and I will carry a higher capacity weapon.

I am sending my Kimber off for a mag well and new grips and I want another 1911 style weapon to carry as a BU (the EMP is small enough for this), and for carry while my CDP is away. I am also looking for a 4 1/2 1911 and am considering a Nighthawk or another Kimber.

The other reason, and probably the most important, is simply because I can.