Shooting In Tyler At Hospital - ETMC

Post by **carlson1** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:15 pm

http://kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6156168

Mithras61 · Post by **Mithras61** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:25 pm

From the story, a domestic disturbance carried to the hospital where one of the victims worked.

I understand that a domestic disturbance is one of the most dangerous and volatile situations a LEO can face because the spouses often unite against any perceived intruder (like a LEO).

Hopefully the victims will both survive to go on with their lives.

Post by **carlson1** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:32 pm

Reports said that the 61 year old man was not from Tyler and was shot in the ankle and was in good condition. The shooters wife was in critical condition and was in surgery. Another good reason to be able to carry at the hospital.

Stupid · Post by **Stupid** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:13 pm

Wouldn't say it's a good reason to carry at hospital, but I would think it's a good reason for hospital NOT posting or not prohibiting us from carrying. The reason is simple, bad guys don't respect your laws. Posting or having a law prohibiting becomes a moo point.

carlson1 wrote:Reports said that the 61 year old man was not from Tyler and was shot in the ankle and was in good condition. The shooters wife was in critical condition and was in surgery. Another good reason to be able to carry at the hospital.

Tote 9 · Post by **Tote 9** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:39 pm

carlson1 wrote:Reports said that the 61 year old man was not from Tyler and was shot in the ankle and was in good condition. The shooters wife was in critical condition and was in surgery. Another good reason to be able to carry at the hospital.

And many Hospitals and Rest Homes post non complient
signs saying "No Fire Arms Allowed" and that will keep
many CHLers from carrying. There are thousands of CHL
holders that donot take their liscense seriously and carry
everywhere they legally can.

Venus Pax · Post by **Venus Pax** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:43 pm

How can a "No firearms allowed" sign keep a CHLer from carrying? I thought it had to be in 30.06 language.

Thane · Post by **Thane** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:45 pm

Venus Pax wrote:How can a "No firearms allowed" sign keep a CHLer from carrying? I thought it had to be in 30.06 language.

It's not a matter of legality, but of perception.

Many folks look at "gunbuster" and "no guns allowed" signs as indicators of future hassle, and judge the hassle potential to be of more importance than the self-defense-situation potential. In other words, they're more worried about someone yelling "Run, he's got a gun!" than they are about some goblin forcing them to defend themselves and others.

It's a mindset I understand, but don't agree with in the slightest.

Tote 9 · Post by **Tote 9** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:48 pm

Venus Pax wrote:How can a "No firearms allowed" sign keep a CHLer from carrying? I thought it had to be in 30.06 language.

Your absolutely right. What I was trying to say was, many
CHLers ( serious carriers) do not carry in many places because
they are intimidated by signs saying like
" Absolutely No Firearms Allowed ", even though the signs
are not legal. Many, many, CHL holders will leave their guns
in the car when going into Wally World or some such place. Especially Hospitals.

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AG-EE · Post by **AG-EE** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:08 am

But that is their choice to make. And they are the ones who have to live with that choice. Your choice can be different.

sparx · Post by **sparx** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:40 am

My wife was one of those people just a few weeks ago VenusPax! (A CHL holder that left her gun in the car due to a gun-buster sign on an elderly-care home.)

It wasn't that she didn't take her CHL seriously (as we both do, though when we're together she sometimes doesn't carry as she knows I am), but somehow she either missed out on, or forgot, the entire 30.06 discussion in the class we took (maybe it was being covered when she was in the restroom cleaning off the fingerprint ink?).

Anyway, she was with her friend and was visiting her friend's grandmother in the home, but after seeing the gun-buster sign at the entrance she went back and locked the gun up in the trunk, thinking she didn't have a right to carry there.

When she got home and told me about it, we reviewed the 30.06/51% signage laws and what places are off limits. She understands now, but since she's proof that at least one CHL holder misunderstood their rights to carry beyond a gun-buster sign, I'm sure there's got to be more out there.

Tote 9 · Post by **Tote 9** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:39 pm

sparx wrote:My wife was one of those people just a few weeks ago VenusPax! (A CHL holder that left her gun in the car due to a gun-buster sign on an elderly-care home.)

It wasn't that she didn't take her CHL seriously (as we both do, though when we're together she sometimes doesn't carry as she knows I am), but somehow she either missed out on, or forgot, the entire 30.06 discussion in the class we took (maybe it was being covered when she was in the restroom cleaning off the fingerprint ink?).

Anyway, she was with her friend and was visiting her friend's grandmother in the home, but after seeing the gun-buster sign at the entrance she went back and locked the gun up in the trunk, thinking she didn't have a right to carry there.

When she got home and told me about it, we reviewed the 30.06/51% signage laws and what places are off limits. She understands now, but since she's proof that at least one CHL holder misunderstood their rights to carry beyond a gun-buster sign, I'm sure there's got to be more out there.

I agree, many CHL holders donot know the laws well enough to
be comfortable to carry everywhere they legally can. What I was
mostly referring to when I said many CHLers didn't take their liscense
seriously was, many that I know carry in only selected places or
donot carry at all. They got a liscense to legally carry a gun in their car I guess.

Venus Pax · Post by **Venus Pax** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:41 pm

That's really sad that they don't know. My CHL instructor made that vividly clear.