Shortbarreled Shotgun spotted...

G.C.Montgomery · Post by **G.C.Montgomery** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:22 am

Have you ever seen one of these???
http://www.amny.com/news/local/newyork/ ... 6056.photo I'm 99% certain I saw one lastnight.

I went over to Top Gun lastnight to do a private class for a security guard who wants to join our Tuesday night group. On entering the range at 6:45pm, I spotted three guys in the number six lane acting weird, even for geeks on a shooting range. As a certified computer geek, even I thought these guys were rather odd. The shooter looked a lot like a cross between the sloth from the film Ice Age and Napoleon Dynamite. The videographer looked like Mr. Magoo with a comb-over. The third guy had a striking resemblance to Sacha Cohen's character, Borat.

Anyway, with Borat watching and Mr. Magoo running the camera, Napoleon was holding what appeared to be a 5-Cell, MagLite flashlight with the end cap conspiciously pointed downrange while speaking into the camera. I also spied a funky looking ring toward the end cap on the MagLite, may be four to six inches up the body from the base cap. I never actually saw these guys fire this thing but I noticed three cloverleaf like shot patterns on their target at Napoleon looked back to his friends seeking approval. I saw no handguns to account for what appeared to be three to five 9mm size holes in these relatively tight patterns. None of these characters acted as if they shot enough to generate groups as tight as the patterns I saw with any kind of handgun.

I told the guys working the counter they should investigate but never saw anyone take action. The guys were gone by the time I finished my lesson so I never got a closer look. Now I've got to go back to the shop and get JT or the owners to pull the video to see if these clowns checked in properly. Top Gun doesn't have any problems with Class III stuff but it is expected one will bring proof of a paid tax and the related forms with them. But, there is a good chance these three musketeers were in possession of illegal firearm. Also there was a recent change in policy to the effect of basically not allowing shotguns except to those known by the owners and management to be competent and unlikely to shoot up the range equipment.

casselthief · Post by **casselthief** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:27 am

"Ah gahta git meh wun ah deez!!!"

Lord, what'll come up with next?

p99guy · Post by **p99guy** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:56 pm

Thats not real easy to obtain as they very limited production...but is classified as a "AOW" with $5.00 BATF transfer tax.

Ares Defense Systems, Inc., located at the US Governmentâ€™s Radford Army Ammunition Plant in Radford, Virginia is a precision manufacturer of quality firearms and accessories. Supporting the military, law enforcement.

one is for sale on this page , 6th item down on the list. $595.00
http://www.autoweapons.com/products/othergoodstuff.html

Some other company is producing one in .380 at the top of that list.

HankB · Post by **HankB** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:37 pm

IANAL, but it's my understanding that guns that don't look like guns are considered "Any Other Weapons" and require more paperwork to legally obtain.

Hmmm . . . the rate of fire of pen guns, flashlight guns, etc., is going to be very slow anyway . . . couldn't you avoid the AOW restrictions if you built somthing like that as a muzzle loader?

hi-power · Post by **hi-power** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:50 pm

I would think that just seeing these three standing together would be enough to initiate an investigation.

G.C.Montgomery · Post by **G.C.Montgomery** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:42 pm

hi-power wrote:I would think that just seeing these three standing together would be enough to initiate an investigation.

My thoughts exactly. And I kid you not...Those photos are dead ringers for the three guys i saw lastnight.

Syntax360 · Post by **Syntax360** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:27 pm

If you saw those three characters shooting a flashlight shotgun, you might want to check the ventilation system at your range - sounds to me like the lead has gone to your brain

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I wouldn't worry about it, per se - just keep an eye out.

Post by **Skiprr** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:07 am

G.C.Montgomery wrote:My thoughts exactly. And I kid you not...Those photos are dead ringers for the three guys I saw last night.

If Alan Greenspan shows up at Top Gun again, please call me immediately. There are fortunes are to be won!

p99guy · Post by **p99guy** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:31 am

hmm what would worry me is JARJAR Binks at the range...and well the mutant squirrels with the pirate hats and bad teeth on the old Quiznos adverts,

Jason73 · Post by **Jason73** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:53 am

From Ares website:

"Flashlight Firearms:
We occasionally receive requests for information regarding a product formerly manufactured by Ares Defense Systems. The Companion product has not been produced in 6-7 years. Very few were ever manufactured; all were registered with BATF as "AOW" (Any Other Weapon) per NFA guidelines and all were transfered with ATF approval to Federally licensed dealers possessing a Special Occupational Tax stamp. We do not manufacture, advertise, sell or support this product."

The full size maglite fires a .410 shotgun round , a mini maglite was offered in .380....

you can purchase them here:
http://www.autoweapons.com/products/othergoodstuff.html

both the .380 and 410 shotgun models are $595.00 + $5.00 transfer tax