concealment questoin

[M1911A1-Lover]

Ok heres my question, my dad carries a g19 and when he carries I can lightly see a sillouett (spell check) of his grip near the magwell and he and I were wondering if that was illegal, granted he isnt using a gun belt nor a crossbreed as of yet, he is however using a G&G gold line iwb.

[speedsix]

...the law reads "...intentionally fails to conceal..."
...if an ordinary person who doesn't KNOW it's a gun would say "There's something under his shirt"...that's not failing to conceal...

[Beiruty]

Ok heres my question, my dad carries a g19 and when he carries I can lightly see a sillouett (spell check) of his grip near the magwell and he and I were wondering if that was illegal, granted he isnt using a gun belt nor a crossbreed as of yet, he is however using a G&G gold line iwb.

For my eyes, I guess it is a smartphone holstered, is it iphone or Android?

[M1911A1-Lover]

ok we had the same thought, and YES it is an Iphone 4 in a horizontal belt case LOL

[Longshot38]

PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
HOLDER. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder
carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the
authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and
intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder
intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the
authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of
whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's
person:

So the answer is no.

[M1911A1-Lover]

Unlawful to me would mean exposed, and his entire shirt covers the gun however a shadow of the magazine well comes threw the shirt, so what about that?

[Crossfire]

Unlawful to me would mean exposed, and his entire shirt covers the gun however a shadow of the magazine well comes threw the shirt, so what about that?

Did you read this?

PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
HOLDER. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder
carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the
authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and
intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.

[M1911A1-Lover]

yeah I read it, however im not a lawyer and dont pretend to be, so if the weapon is completely covered is it still illegal to see just the shadow is my question im looking for a yes or no, not this sub chapter stuff I hate that stuff.

[M1911A1-Lover]

The sub-chapters are what'll keep you either in or out of prison if you get your CHL. Get to know them well, because you don't have to like it - but you do have to know it

Yeah im aware of that, I understand most of them but this one is fuzzy, I scored a 100 on my chl test and I have a CHL law booklet (that i read) and I already have my plastic and carry a 1911 flawlessly even around a table full of HPD officers at luby's, Im just going through all this for my dad so he has the best chance of concealing his G19, he is 242 lbs and he has a hard time carrying his G19 because of the mag well.

So any suggestions on where and how to carry a G19 would be greatly appreciated sence im beggining to see that nothing of the weapon should show through the shirt.

[Longshot38]

Yeah im aware of that, I understand most of them but this one is fuzzy

Not really. If you read the law it is crystal clear. For someone to be in violation they MUST either intentional, knowingly, or recklessly carry in an nonconcealed manner. Which is also spelled out in the law.

As for idea about concealing it all depends on the person packing. Personally I like pancake style holsters for OWB carry and hybrid holsters for IWB carry. And I manage to keep a government model and spare tire concealed at the 3 o'clock position. It is all in how you dress. When I got back in the grove of everyday carry I found that a set of upsized Carhart work pants (the pocket layout is ideal) and an loose fitting button down shirt does very well.

[speedsix]

...we get into trouble when we read into the law things it doesn't say...when you ask a question, and we cite the law to you as an answer...it doesn't get any better than that...part of the responsibility we assume when we get our CHL is to KNOW THE LAW...otherwise you're at the mercy of whoever wrote on the wall in the third........wherever...


...this kind of response...
"yeah I read it, however im not a lawyer and dont pretend to be, so if the weapon is completely covered is it still illegal to see just the shadow is my question im looking for a yes or no, not this sub chapter stuff I hate that stuff."

...makes me wonder why I bothered to answer...that's pretty poor...it's OK for me to do research for you...but you don't want anything but a yes or no...news flash...I'm not going to be there when you're challenged or in court...like the song says" "Mama may have, and Papa may have, but God bless the child who's got his own..." better be about gettin' your own...

[bkj]

First wear darker color shirts of heavier material

Next
GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:
(3) “Concealed handgun” means a handgun, the presence of which is not openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person.

You can see a "sillouett" an officer may see the sillouett . But will anyone at Wal-Mart notice?

[smoothoperator]

Here's two options to consider.

1. Try to get people to agree a bad job concealing is good enough.

2. Conceal better.

I think #2 is easier but the choice is up to you.

[sugar land dave]

If your father is trying to cover the firearm and believes that it does not show as a firearm, then I do not believe he is intentionally failing, or knowing that he is failing. If he is not deliberately raising and lowering his shirt as he walks, then I doubt if he is reckless.

I believe this is what folks are trying to say to you. I will mention that this has been discussed many times on the forum and a search will bring up several long threads about concealing.