DHS to stop deporting illegals

[sjfcontrol]

Where have I heard that before?

[Heartland Patriot]

You are all wound up about some non-citizens having to go back to whatever country they are FROM and do things the RIGHT way. I really cannot understand your mindset...standing up to someone subverting the law and making near-dictatorial proclamations is to "scream like school girls"...love the rhetorical flourish there, way to use absurdity, and I'd wager that to "grow some and pass meaningful legislation that would resolve the immigration problem" means an amnesty. And if you DON'T mean that, then please, by all means, enlighten us as to the great solution to the immigration issue that you have worked out. No other country in this world allows the kinds of things to go on that have been going on here in the USA...but we're supposed to? Ridiculous.

For our discussion, you are a gentleman who was born here in the USA but your parents were born in France and your mother was pregnant when she arrived. You know nothing of France. Through a slip up in paperwork, you are determined to be an illegal alien and you are deported to France. You speak no French. You know nothing of the country. You will have to live there for 5 years to get your paperwork handled correctly and get back in the country. How do you feel and how will you make a living? Same goes for a kid whose mother was pregnant but delivered a couple months BEFORE arriving. She grows up here, speaks English, gets an education, and wants to contribute. We as Americans have a substantial financial investment in each of these kids. Should we take advantage of this investment or just plow it under?

No, I do not mean general amnesty. Personally I am of the opinion that we should determine the ancestry of a lot of locally born CITIZENS and find a way to deport them back to the countries from which their parents came if they are unable to contribute positively to the American fabric.

My approach would not legalize anyone unless they had demonstrated they were worth keeping, individually, one by one. In 1986, Reagan arranged a blanket amnesty for millions of aliens, and ever since then, folks have been parked on the sidelines, waiting for the next amnesty. Under my plan a 16 yo kid who's a member of a gang gets to go home. A 30 yo guy with a felony record gets a free trip on the day of his conviction. For the 18 yo who enrolls in college, the military, or trade school, maintains grades, avoids misconduct, pays taxes, learns the language, they can stay. Maybe if they have parents here illegally and they do the same, perhaps they can stay as well. This nation has always been a melting pot for hard working individuals who came from humble beginnings and wanted to improve the lives of themselves and their families. I'm disgusted at the concept of a general amnesty. This applies to immigration as well to drug laws and anything else you can think of. It implies that if you break the law and wait long enough, society will make it all good. It's the wrong message to send. BUT, we do need to do something about the younger generation whose parents brought them here. They have the potential to make a positive contribution, but they also have the potential to remain underemployed, underpaid, and a drag on the economy. At the end of the day, they are here, they aren't going away, and the only issue is how do we handle them and do we permit them to help or hurt society. It's the Congress' call, but well, we all know how useful Congress has been the last decade or so.....

Okay, I understand where you are going with it. Here is the problem I have with this latest stunt by Obama. He wants to allow hundreds of thousands of individuals to stay here, all in one fell swoop. The same sort of individuals who cheer the Mexican national soccer team over the USA soccer team...I use that to highlight where the LOYALTY of these individuals lie. I don't care what the race of the person is or what their skin tone is...but I DO care, as a veteran, about where their ALLEGIANCE lies...and if it lies with some other nation, and a certain group of politicians is okay with that to obtain VOTES in an attempt to secure an election, then I have a BIG PROBLEM with that. I hope I'm clear on what I'm saying. Its not a matter of racial or ethnic hatred in the least, but I AM an "America first" kind of guy and I'm proud of it.

[gdanaher]

Okay, I understand where you are going with it. Here is the problem I have with this latest stunt by Obama. He wants to allow hundreds of thousands of individuals to stay here, all in one fell swoop. The same sort of individuals who cheer the Mexican national soccer team over the USA soccer team...I use that to highlight where the LOYALTY of these individuals lie. I don't care what the race of the person is or what their skin tone is...but I DO care, as a veteran, about where their ALLEGIANCE lies...and if it lies with some other nation, and a certain group of politicians is okay with that to obtain VOTES in an attempt to secure an election, then I have a BIG PROBLEM with that. I hope I'm clear on what I'm saying. Its not a matter of racial or ethnic hatred in the least, but I AM an "America first" kind of guy and I'm proud of it.

We are substantially on the same page. I attended a high school soccer game earlier this year in which a varsity team from a Dallas high school stood on the field at attention while the national anthem was played. They honored our flag by displaying the Mexican salute. I'm not thrilled that it's becoming an issue during an election year, but congress has kicked this around like a step cousin for years. They really have no room to talk when the POTUS grabs the whip, and whatever happens this year, it won't compare to the 3 million who got amnesty in 1986. No, this isn't a racial issue--more like a social/economic issue. It boils down to the question of do we have the guts to do the right thing or not. A statesman is a politician who does the right thing in the face of overwhelming dissent. I haven't seen much of that lately. My co-worker had letters back and forth with Henserling and that guy was as cold and uncaring as one can be. I fear the elected few in DC just don't get it.

[Heartland Patriot]

Okay, I understand where you are going with it. Here is the problem I have with this latest stunt by Obama. He wants to allow hundreds of thousands of individuals to stay here, all in one fell swoop. The same sort of individuals who cheer the Mexican national soccer team over the USA soccer team...I use that to highlight where the LOYALTY of these individuals lie. I don't care what the race of the person is or what their skin tone is...but I DO care, as a veteran, about where their ALLEGIANCE lies...and if it lies with some other nation, and a certain group of politicians is okay with that to obtain VOTES in an attempt to secure an election, then I have a BIG PROBLEM with that. I hope I'm clear on what I'm saying. Its not a matter of racial or ethnic hatred in the least, but I AM an "America first" kind of guy and I'm proud of it.

We are substantially on the same page. I attended a high school soccer game earlier this year in which a varsity team from a Dallas high school stood on the field at attention while the national anthem was played. They honored our flag by displaying the Mexican salute. I'm not thrilled that it's becoming an issue during an election year, but congress has kicked this around like a step cousin for years. They really have no room to talk when the POTUS grabs the whip, and whatever happens this year, it won't compare to the 3 million who got amnesty in 1986. No, this isn't a racial issue--more like a social/economic issue. It boils down to the question of do we have the guts to do the right thing or not. A statesman is a politician who does the right thing in the face of overwhelming dissent. I haven't seen much of that lately. My co-worker had letters back and forth with Henserling and that guy was as cold and uncaring as one can be. I fear the elected few in DC just don't get it.

Well, you saying we are substantially on the same page might not be so accurate. It all goes to what you consider to be "the right thing". And I do NOT consider this move by Obama to be "the right thing", even if Congress has failed to act. Its CONGRESS' job to make laws, its the Judiciary's job to decide if they are Constitutional or not, and its the Executives' job to enforce the laws. If you don't like our Congressmen and women, go campaign for others to take their places. That is how it is supposed to work.

[MeMelYup]

Therein is the problem. It “IS” Congress’ job to make the laws, but you have the IRS, ATF, and others, who are part of the Executive Branch, whose job it is to enforce the laws, making them. Why, because Congress gave them the power to make law. This is unconstitutional. Why is the Attorney General, who heads the law enforcement agencies for the Executive Branch, active in making laws. Should your local police department make the laws for the city you live in?

[gringo pistolero]

These stories are not only the exception to the rule, they're very rare exceptions. Those are exactly the sort of cases that should be decided at a hearing by a judge, rather than giving a pass to everyone including "Americans" who can't speak English and gang members who haven't been convicted of anything yet.

[baldeagle]

Therein is the problem. It “IS” Congress’ job to make the laws, but you have the IRS, ATF, and others, who are part of the Executive Branch, whose job it is to enforce the laws, making them. Why, because Congress gave them the power to make law. This is unconstitutional. Why is the Attorney General, who heads the law enforcement agencies for the Executive Branch, active in making laws. Should your local police department make the laws for the city you live in?

This is precisely what the problem is. Congress, over the years, has empowered federal agencies to make "rules" (which are law) thus ceding their authority to the Executive. I understand why they do it. It allows them to avoid blame when things go wrong. They can simply point at the President and say it's his fault.

[flintknapper]

Ok, here's Neil Monro's take. Also, the House Homeland Security Committee Chairman is upset.

Oh, and Obama is doing exactly what he said he would not do back in March 2011.

...at least he's consistent!!!

...I was glad that the reporter rared up at him...he's trading OUR children's job opportunities for votes...it's hard to respect "THE OFFICE" when this scum is doing all he can not only to disrespect the office, but the American people who put him there...

The fools (or those fooled) that "put him there" probably deserve a little disrespect at this point.

I hope they are wiser this time around.

[flintknapper]

...America has always been welcoming and merciful...and made exceptions...and taken in folks needing asylum...and this girl sounds like she needs to be here...
...the outrage and hubbub is not because Americans are hard-hearted and cruel...or don't know that immigrants helped make us a great country...we're outraged because our government has totally ignored the laws regarding immigration and allowed our country to be flooded with illegal immigrants...many of those not even trying to become Americans...but taking millions and millions of dollars out of our struggling economy and sending them back home, while taking advantage of all America offers...these are ticks on the flesh of America...not contributing patriotic young people ...
...let our government begin to vigorously enforce the will of the people on existing laws...there would be a lot less resistance to whatever special cases arise...and this girl seems one of those...

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well said.