Is the Granada Theater posted?

[Syntax360]

I've never been - is the Granada posted 30.06 or 51%? Thanks!

[casselthief]

I would assume 51% due to the bar inside, and upstairs (if memory serves). you can always call and ask.

[Syntax360]

I'm sure it's worth mentioning for search purposes that I did not see ANY 51% or 30.06 signs at the Granada last night. They do serve alcohol, but I'm guessing most of their revenue comes from shows/ticket sales. It seems I didn't need to leave my pistol in the trunk, after all...

[casselthief]

whelp, sorry if you locked up based on my opinion alone. I figgered, but certainly wasn't sure.
may want to look into this one a wee more, before I try it myself, but thanks for the update.


just for reference sake, as you may know, an establishment may not have a 51% sign, but still be a 51% designated business.

[Syntax360]

It is their responsibility to throw up the 51% sign if the majority of their revenue comes from alcohol. You're not going to be arrested for not digging through the establishment's confidential financial records (that you have no access to) before going to make sure a sign should have been posted . And concealed is concealed, even if they did forget to post the required signage.

[casselthief]

It is their responsibility to throw up the 51% sign if the majority of their revenue comes from alcohol. You're not going to be arrested for not digging through the establishment's confidential financial records (that you have no access to) before going to make sure a sign should have been posted . And concealed is concealed, even if they did forget to post the required signage.

no but you could be up the proverbial creek for going into a place where you are not allowed to be.

and sure, I hear concealed is concealed all the time, but I spotted a guy's gun at the theater the other night, and have spotted several folks out and about packin' their heaters.

so sure, it's their responsibility to put up the sign, but if they don't, you're the one that pays.

[fickman]

I have the same question. I called and asked and the guy on the phone had no idea what I was talking about. He kept saying, "Yep, we've got a lot of beer. Full service bar. And a kitchen. Everybody has fun. Everybody leaves with their bellies full."

I tried to explain my question more carefully and he kept asking, "What is it that you're asking? What are you getting at? You'll have to call back during the week when the managers are here so that they can tell you how all of the legal stuff is set up. I don't know. Why do you want to know?"

I guess somebody there heard what he was talking about and he came back on the phone and asked, "You're not planning to bring a gun to the show tonight are you?"

I just said, "Nope. Thanks for trying to find out for me," and let him hang up.

So. . . anybody know?

[gemini]

The last time I went to the Granada I did not see a 30.06 or 51% posted. I should be in that area this week and will try to go
by and check it out. I do know they serve alot of "bar" food in addition to alcohol.

[C-dub]

I haven't been to the Granada since long before I got my CHL. However, here's a couple of thoughts. One or two of you have already said that you did not see any 30.06 or 51% signs. IMO, carry away and concealed is concealed yada yada yada. Remember, I think that it is now a defense to prosecution if a 51% establishment does not post their 51% sign like they're supposed to. I too, would think that the majority of their sales are not derived from the sale of alcohol.

[gemini]

I haven't been to the Granada since long before I got my CHL. However, here's a couple of thoughts. One or two of you have already said that you did not see any 30.06 or 51% signs. IMO, carry away and concealed is concealed yada yada yada. Remember, I think that it is now a defense to prosecution if a 51% establishment does not post their 51% sign like they're supposed to. I too, would think that the majority of their sales are not derived from the sale of alcohol.

Plus, I went by there this morning. There is nothing posted on any of the front doors or front box office. I looked inside (through the front doors) the front foyer/lobby area and did not see any posted either.

[fickman]

I went to the show last night and carried (willing to return to the vehicle and stow the firearm if I saw anything that said I couldn't carry).

My observations were:
- No 30.06 sign
- No 51% sign
- From watching the bar all night, there's no way they're even close to 51%. They sold a fair amount of food, water, and soft drinks in addition to a few dozen alcoholic drinks throughout the night - for a sold-out show where 2,000+ people spent $26 each on the tickets to get in.

I'm glad I avoided accidentally getting verbal notice over the phone (although I bet the guy was a bouncer / bartender and probably didn't have authority to give such notice anyway).

In Dallas, you can usually use the smoking / non-smoking issue as a reason to ask their 51% status. If it's not 51%, it must be non-smoking. Some 51% establishments voluntarily ban smoking, so using this guise may not get you the info you need every time, but at least it gives you a less provocative reason to ask the question.

[9mmfan]

Actually, as of April 10, 2009, all public buildings in Dallas are non-smoking. That is the day that bars got the heave-ho into illogical legislation. Prior to that, the cut off point was over 25% of revenue came from food-no smoking. Used to be, the smoker got the ticket. Now, either the bar or the bartender/manager gets a ticket for the amount of smokers inside. Free Market System rules!?!?

[ricor]

Please folks never never call and question. Do some advanced scouting. I think if you put the idea about guns being carried in their establishment they will post. Just my opinion.

[Keith B]

Please folks never never call and question. Do some advanced scouting. I think if you put the idea about guns being carried in their establishment they will post. Just my opinion.

Even if they don't post, you have now been given verbal notification (assuming it was a person who could state their policy), and you would not be legal carrying, posted or not.

[fickman]

For what it's worth, I never would have called to ask if they were posted 30.06. I had a masked way to ask if they were 51%. . . as most bars and restaurants I've worked in or been to were aware of their status. It just happened that I ended up speaking to an idiot.

Trust me, the last thing I'm going to do is make any business owner aware of the concept of posting his/her business. . . and I'm certainly not going to go fishing for a verbal notification.

I generally scout in advance. . . that's why I did several searches on this forum and resurrected an old thread, but the show was that night and I live a long way from Dallas, so it's not as if I could swing by while I was in the neighborhood.

Now I've helped to do the leg work on this location so that other TexasCHLforum members have the information available to them.