Concealed Carry in the bank.

[seamusTX]

... when I was a kid, every bank had an old guy ... in a uniform carrying a six gun on his belt.

When I was a kid, the bank that my parents used had a guy with a shotgun in a mezzanine above the main floor. People were still alive then who remembered Bonnie and Clyde and John Dillinger.

The next generation of bank management decided that armed guards, bars on windows, and so forth were "scary." They were also the ones that started printing checks with kittens and cartoon characters on them.

- Jim

[WildBill]

... when I was a kid, every bank had an old guy ... in a uniform carrying a six gun on his belt.

When I was a kid, the bank that my parents used had a guy with a shotgun in a mezzanine above the main floor. People were still alive then who remembered Bonnie and Clyde and John Dillinger. - Jim

In Chicago, you had Dillinger and Capone. We only had the Purple Gang.

[seamusTX]

Chicago was Dillinger's turf. Also "Baby Face" Nelson and many other notorious bank robbers - some of whom lived in Chicago or Cicero and traveled to rob banks (or trains, as a lot of cash was still physically shipped around at that time).

Al Capone didn't rob banks. He was basically a CEO with an attitude and no conscience.

- Jim

[bartfields]

Okay, here's another one for ya...

What about a Post office?

[WildBill]

Okay, here's another one for ya...

What about a Post office?

IANAL and I believe that is illegal because a Post Office is Federal property.

[E.Marquez]

Okay, here's another one for ya...

What about a Post office?

IANAL and I believe that is illegal because a Post Office is Federal property.

Sadly this is correct... along with all other federal property, like say all Military installations.. you know because they are so safe

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  August 19, 1983, Johnston, South Carolina: Perry Smith, a resigned USPS employee, charged into a postal office with a 12-gauge shotgun and began firing at workers in a hall, killing the postmaster and wounding two other employees.
  
  December 2, 1983, Anniston, Alabama: James Brooks (age fifty-three) entered into the Anniston, Alabama, post office with a .38 caliber pistol and killed the postmaster and shot and injured his immediate supervisor. Subsequent to killing the postmaster, James Brooks ran up the stairs of the building pursuing his supervisor and shooting him twice.
  
  March 6, 1985, Atlanta, Georgia: Steven Brownlee with 12 years of service, opened fire on the night shift in the Atlanta, Georgia, main post office with a .22 caliber pistol and killed a supervisor and a coworker, including wounding a third coworker in a mail sorting area.
  
  August 20, 1986, Edmond, Oklahoma: Patrick Sherrill, a part-time letter carrier, entered the Edmond Postal Office and fatally shot 14 employees and wounded six. He subsequently committed suicide.
  
  December 14, 1988, New Orleans, Louisiana: Warren Murphy, entered into the New Orleans, Louisiana, postal facility with a 12-gauge shotgun hidden under his clothing. Later during his work shift, after an incident with a supervisor, he reportedly went to the men's room and came out brandishing the shotgun. He then fatally shot his supervisor in the face. The fired shot reportedly wounded two other employees. After the shooting, he held his ex-girlfriend hostage. Later two FBI SWAT agents reportedly were wounded upon finding Warren Murphy in a supervisor's office. He eventually surrendered to the agents.
  
  August 10, 1989, Escondido, California: John Merlin Taylor killed his wife, then two colleagues and himself at Orange Glen post office.
  
  October 10, 1991: Ex-postal worker Joseph M. Harris killed his ex-supervisor and her boyfriend at their home in Wayne, New Jersey, then killed two former colleagues as they arrived at the Ridgewood, New Jersey post office where they all previously worked. According to "Today in Rotten History," Harris was initially armed with an Uzi, grenades, and "samurai sword" and was later arrested after a 4½ hour standoff with police, garbed in a ninja's outfit and gas mask. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to death. He died on death row in 1996.
  
  November 14, 1991, Royal Oak, Michigan: fired postal worker Thomas McIlvane killed four, wounded five, and killed himself.
  
  June 3, 1992, Citrus Heights, California: Roy Barnes, a 60 year old employee, went to the workroom floor at the Citrus Heights post office, armed with a .22 caliber pistol, and fatally shot himself in the heart in front of his coworkers.
  
  May 6, 1993, Dearborn, Michigan: Postal worker Larry Jasion killed one, wounded three, then killed himself at a post office garage.
  
  May 6, 1993, Dana Point, California: Mark Richard Hilbun killed his mother, then shot two postal workers dead.
  
  March 21, 1995, Montclair, New Jersey: Christopher Green, a former postal employee, killed four people (including two employees) and wounded a fifth at the Fairfield Street branch post office. While this is a postal killing, the primary motivation appears to have been debt payment, and there was no indication that the former employee was mentally disturbed as a result of his former postal work.
  
  July 10, 1995, City of Industry, California: Bruce Clark, current employee and a postal clerk with 25 years employment with the USPS, subsequent to an argument, punched his supervisor in the back of the head at the City of Industry, California, mail processing center and left the work area. About ten minutes later, he returned to the work area with a brown paper bag in his hand. Upon being asked by his supervisor what was in the bag, he reportedly pulled out a .38 revolver and at close range fatally shot the supervisor twice, once in the upper body and once in the face. Two employees reportedly took the gun away from Bruce Clark and held him until police arrived. Seventy-five postal employees reportedly witnessed the shooting.
  
  December 19, 1996, Las Vegas, Nevada: Charles Jenning, former employee, went to the parking lot at the Las Vegas, Nevada, postal facility and shot and killed a labor relations specialist. Mr. Jennings reportedly indicated in his statement to investigators that the labor relations specialist struggled to take the gun away from him and was shot in the process.
  
  September 2, 1997, Miami Beach, Florida: 21-year postal employee Jesus Antonio Tamayo shoots ex-wife and friend, whom he saw waiting in line, then killed himself.
  
  December 20, 1997, Milwaukee, Wisconsin: Anthony Deculit killed coworker, wounded supervisor and another coworker with a 9mm pistol before killing himself.
  
  January 30, 2006, Goleta, California: former mail processor Jennifer San Marco, 44, killed six employees (five immediately, another died later). A possible seventh victim, a former neighbor, was found dead in her apartment and has yet to be confirmed to be of the same shooting. Marco committed suicide at the sorting facility.
  
  April 4, 2006, Baker City, Oregon: Grant Gallaher, letter carrier of 13 years, while on duty in Baker City, Oregon, reportedly went home and got his .357 Magnum revolver and drove to the city post office with the intention of killing the postmaster. Arriving at the parking lot, he reportedly ran over his supervisor several times. Subsequently he went into the post office looking for thr postmaster. Not finding the postmaster, he returned to the parking lot and shot his supervisor several times at close range, ostensibly to ensure she was dead. He reportedly then fired three bullets in the windshield of her car and three more in the hood.
  
  November 28, 2006, San Francisco, California: Kevin Tartt, age 39, with 18 years of service, employed at the Napoleon Street Carrier Annex in San Francisco, went to his supervisor's residence, armed with a revolver and shot her in the back of the head outside her house. He then reportedly left the scene and fatally shot himself in the head with the same gun the next day. Early in the investigation, homicide investigators were reportedly looking at links between disputes between Julius Tartt and his supervisor, including what one police official referred to as a discipline issue. One of the homicide officials stated that there were indications that Julius Tartt was dissatisfied with work and with the supervisor. During the timeframe of the tragedy, he was absent from work and had called in sick the previous day.
  
  October 18, 2010, Henning, Tennessee: two female employees were shot and killed in a robbery at a postal facility in western Tennessee.

[RoyGBiv]

I was in the drive through making a deposit yesterday at about 5:PM. There were 5 men in business suits, in addition to the teller, clearly visible through the big window. After too long a time (it was just a simple deposit, 2 checks) I buzz the teller for a "what's taking so long?". Some furtive motions later and one of the suits answers back:

Suit: Mr. Biv, I see here that you could move up to our "XYZ" account, which would give you.... yadda, yadda, yadda.
Me: Will I get a better interest rate?
Suit: That account has a 0.25% rate
Me:
Suit: Blah, blah, blah
Me: Thanks, but, no thinks
Suit: Is there anything else we can do for your Mr. Biv?
Me: (3 second pause for contemplation... then...) Well, actually, you could take that ridiculous "No Guns" sign off your front door, I haven't been inside your branch since you put it there.
Suit: So you don't like not having your gun on your hip?
Me: I don't have a gun (lie), but when you put a sign like that on your door, the bad guy is pretty certain he can come in unopposed. And since you don't have a security guard, that sign is asking all your customers to enter a place where the bad guys know that all the good guys are disarmed. If I was a bad guy, I'd consider that an invitation. That sign makes it MORE dangerous for everyone who obeys it.
Suit: [Pause] I never thought of it that way. I can certainly ASK about it, but I can't make any promises.
Me: You asked me if there was anything else. I'm glad not to have wasted your time with something that I could look up on your web site.
Suit: Laughs
Me: Have a nice day.

As I posted earlier in this thread, the sign at my bank is a non-30.06 gunbuster and I routinely carry past it without a concern. I certainly did not mention to Mr. Suit that the sign was non-compliant.

[seamusTX]

I was in the drive through making a deposit yesterday at about 5:PM. There were 5 men in business suits, in addition to the teller, clearly visible through the big window. After too long a time ... Some furtive motions later and one of the suits answers back...

When I first read this, I thought you were going to say that the feds were taking over the bank or something (seriously).

I don't know that you can ever persuade these people. They just give noncommittal answers to get you to go away. There have been only a few cases like Taco Cabana where widespread complaints got them to take down gunbuster signs.

And BTW, when a business says they want to "upgrade" you to a "platinum" whatever, grab your wallet. Usually it's something with higher fees or some other "gotcha."

- Jim

[zero4o3]

I was in the drive through making a deposit yesterday at about 5:PM. There were 5 men in business suits, in addition to the teller, clearly visible through the big window. After too long a time ... Some furtive motions later and one of the suits answers back...

When I first read this, I thought you were going to say that the feds were taking over the bank or something (seriously).

I don't know that you can ever persuade these people. They just give noncommittal answers to get you to go away. There have been only a few cases like Taco Cabana where widespread complaints got them to take down gunbuster signs.

And BTW, when a business says they want to "upgrade" you to a "platinum" whatever, grab your wallet. Usually it's something with higher fees or some other "gotcha."

- Jim

are you implying that the Diamond coverage package my insurance agent talked me into that covers volcanoes is not a good value

[seamusTX]

are you implying that the Diamond coverage package my insurance agent talked me into that covers volcanoes is not a good value[?]

I dunno. Does it cost more than the werewolf insurance I was talked into?



- Jim

[mikedude]

Hello All,
After reviewing the Txaa CHL laws, I do not see. Anything relating to varying inside a bank or other financial institution. This means I can carry while doing my banking, correct?

My credit union only has a gun circled in red hence anybody can carry there. In reality bank money is federally insured, so unless somebody is about to die, imo let them take the cash. I know personally if they just had the usual "demand note" I might have a hard time doing that, but hey, I online bank so it would be hard to be there for the note.

One of my coworkers got into a shoot out with a bank robber. He went through 2 1/2 magazines with a glock 22 before he permanently stopped the bank robber. Fortunately the bank robber who fired as many missed him.

[E10]

'Gunbusters' and any other signs non-compliant with 30.06 do not apply and I always carry right past them on private property. Those signs are meant to remind folks who don't have their CHL that they're not supposed to be carryin'.

Trouble is, right now I'm in Arizona and when I see those signs I gotta go put my shootin' iron back in the car. Things are SO much simpler back in Texas.

[carlson1]

For some reason there is an epidemic of 30.06 signs on credit unions. Apparently some genius at the association of associated credit unions sent around a memo advising them to do so.

- Jim

This is true, but I am member of two Credit Unions. One in Tyler and one in Dallas. Neither one are posted as of yet.

[seamusTX]

They might get around to it on some kind of remodeling schedule. The credit union that I use had the old "Vernon's Civil Statutes" signs until Hurricane Ike, after which they put up a 30.06 sign.

- Jim

[carlson1]

I noticed the Credit Unions that we use that are share branches. I am hoping that they do not post the sign. I like both CU, but do not mind leaving them either. The CU in Tyler I have banked at for over 28 years. They are very easy to work with. In all the years of being there never one day late. I have a credit Card there and the whole nine yards, but I can change.