Anybody know if there's a DA revolver on the market that is rated by the manufacturer for 45 Super loads? I suspect some would handle it just fine, but if I have to shell out for a new revolver, I'd hate to be buying it with the intent to void the warranty right away.
If I could find something in a 3" or shorter barrel, roughly J-frame size, steel, (I don't care if S&W thinks their scandium heliumweight frames are wonderful, cannons need weight) and with easily available moon clips, I'd definitiely have a nice gun for my SmartCarry. With only the .380 in there, it's more of a "better than throwing rocks" situation, but with .45ACP loaded, and a spare clip of 45 Super around just in case, I'd feel a lot better about situations where I can't carry IWB. (Bowling comes to mind, and as much as I like my Coronado vest, there are times in Texas when it's just too hot for an extra layer.)
Revolver question...45ACP/45Super
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I doubt you'll find one in J-frame or K-frame size.
The only revolver that immediately comes to mind with .45 Super is the Ruger Blackhawk Convertible, but you did specify DA... You might be able to find a converted S&W 696 (or have one converted yourself), but I'm not sure that's such a good idea. For one, the price would be somewhat prohibitive. However, the 696 is the smallest DA revolver I know of that has enough steel in the cylinder to (probably) handle the pressures of .45 Super.
Why not just get a Charter Arms 5-shot .44 Special? It'd be a heck of a lot cheaper than a .45 Super revolver anyway, and you'd be -extremely- hard pressed to tell the difference downrange. Can't make a goblin any more dead, after all, and that gun/ammo combination will be easier on your pocketbook.
And unless I'm wrong, speedloaders DO exist for that gun...
The only revolver that immediately comes to mind with .45 Super is the Ruger Blackhawk Convertible, but you did specify DA... You might be able to find a converted S&W 696 (or have one converted yourself), but I'm not sure that's such a good idea. For one, the price would be somewhat prohibitive. However, the 696 is the smallest DA revolver I know of that has enough steel in the cylinder to (probably) handle the pressures of .45 Super.
Why not just get a Charter Arms 5-shot .44 Special? It'd be a heck of a lot cheaper than a .45 Super revolver anyway, and you'd be -extremely- hard pressed to tell the difference downrange. Can't make a goblin any more dead, after all, and that gun/ammo combination will be easier on your pocketbook.
And unless I'm wrong, speedloaders DO exist for that gun...
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pbandjelly
It's more of a matter of "I'm more accurate with less recoil, but if the first full load doesn't do it, I need the pocket howitzer."pbandjelly wrote:other than that, I don't know anything about Super Loads, but I wouldn't like to have to switch loads "if the situation came up."
I've thought about the same process with 38/357 or 44Special/Magnum or maybe 454Casull/460Magnum
but at least for me, moon clips are faster than speedloaders, especially in a situation where I'm likely to fumble a bit anyway.A moonclip is a circular or semi-circular (full-moon or half-moon) piece of metal with notches in it to hold ammunition. It clips around the base of each cartridge, and the whole shebang is loaded into the weapon. Revolvers firing rimmed cartridges (.38/.357, .44, etc) generally need the rear of the cylinder to be relieved for the added thickness of the clip; revolvers firing automatic cartridges (9mm, .40, .45, etc) already are relieved for the clips.
On rimmed cartridges, the clips merely serve to hold the rounds together before and during loading, and after ejection. With automatic cartridges, however, they serve a second purpose, as a substitute rim for the ejector to engage. Firing the cartridges without the clip is perfectly safe, but you'll need something to punch the empties out with.
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I just thought of another problem with a 5-shot .45 ACP/Super revolver... I don't know of anyone who makes moon clips for the cartridge in a 5-shot configuration. While there are plenty of 6-shot revolvers capable of the cartridge, they're also large-frame revolvers, hardly the ideal for a SmartCarry. A pocket 1911 such as Kimber's Ultra line would be better suited for the task.
Since this is intended as a backup gun anyways, is carrying a spare reload for it really that critical? If not, I'll go back to the Charter Arms recommendation.
.44 Special is still plenty enough "pocket howitzer" for me.
(And if a reload really is critical, I'd look at the pocket 1911s; yeah, they ain't cheap, but it'll be cheaper than finding/customizing a revolver, IMO)
On rimmed cartridges, the clips merely serve to hold the rounds together before and during loading, and after ejection. With automatic cartridges, however, they serve a second purpose, as a substitute rim for the ejector to engage. Firing the cartridges without the clip is perfectly safe, but you'll need something to punch the empties out with.
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I just thought of another problem with a 5-shot .45 ACP/Super revolver... I don't know of anyone who makes moon clips for the cartridge in a 5-shot configuration. While there are plenty of 6-shot revolvers capable of the cartridge, they're also large-frame revolvers, hardly the ideal for a SmartCarry. A pocket 1911 such as Kimber's Ultra line would be better suited for the task.
Since this is intended as a backup gun anyways, is carrying a spare reload for it really that critical? If not, I'll go back to the Charter Arms recommendation.
.44 Special is still plenty enough "pocket howitzer" for me.(And if a reload really is critical, I'd look at the pocket 1911s; yeah, they ain't cheap, but it'll be cheaper than finding/customizing a revolver, IMO)
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DSARGE wrote:moon clips are faster than speedloaders
What are "moonclips"?
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