Upgrades to my Bushy .308

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johncanfield wrote:My standard size gun safe didn't take long to get very crowded - it looked so large in the store ;-) . I think I need a separate safe for the ammo I'm trying to accumulate.
That's a must, it's a safety precaution. You could always tell your SO it'll make you feel safer.:lol:
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After more agonizing and deep thought (which was difficult ;-) ) over what to buy, I just ordered the Trijicon AccuPoint 2.5-10x56 30mm Riflescope TR22 in green Mil-dot. The choice boiled down to either focusing on long-range hunting/target punching or what I think will be my primary use of hunting in lower light situations at 100-200 yards. The TR22 is reputed to be extremely good at gathering light so we'll see.

I've decided that choosing a scope is worse than buying a car :roll: . Ultimately I was torn between a 5-20x50 Vortex Razor HD and the TR22, but decided the TR22 would more fit my needs at the present. I think I would still like a SWFA HD or the Vortex Razor for long range shooting, but that will be a future purchase.

Phew - I'm glad that's over :cheers2: .
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johncanfield wrote:After more agonizing and deep thought (which was difficult ;-) ) over what to buy, I just ordered the Trijicon AccuPoint 2.5-10x56 30mm Riflescope TR22 in green Mil-dot. The choice boiled down to either focusing on long-range hunting/target punching or what I think will be my primary use of hunting in lower light situations at 100-200 yards. The TR22 is reputed to be extremely good at gathering light so we'll see.

I've decided that choosing a scope is worse than buying a car :roll: . Ultimately I was torn between a 5-20x50 Vortex Razor HD and the TR22, but decided the TR22 would more fit my needs at the present. I think I would still like a SWFA HD or the Vortex Razor for long range shooting, but that will be a future purchase.

Phew - I'm glad that's over :cheers2: .
That's actually a great choice for your application. The 5-20x50mm scopes are really for long range. In fact, when I'm shooting my AR10 at only 100 yards, I actually have to zoom out to around 10X in order to shoot effectively because I find it easier to hold steady on the target. At 20X, the target appears so close that every minor motion makes the reticle jump around so much that it is distracting to me. My AR10 is a big heavy beast (about 17 lb) and in its current configuration it is strictly a long range rifle. If I were to reconfigure it with a lighter barrel, MOE furniture (or the equivalent), and add iron sights, I would almost certainly replace the scope with a lower variable power scope similar to the Trijicon. And by the way, for years the standard scope for the M40 sniper rifle was a fixed 10 power optic, so in the right hands and with the right rifle, you could shoot well out past 800 yards with that scope.
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Have you looked at the Night force NXS line? They are quite a bit less than the F1s.
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Yes, I researched the NF line fairly extensively and really liked the F1, but that's a bit pricy. The NXS line looked pretty good but from doing a lot of reading on opticstalk.com I decided to not consider that one. Franky I don't remember why - my head is still spinning from spending days and days of research. It's so difficult to objectively evaluate scope choices so I had to heavily rely on others' opinions (primarily ILya Koshkin of opticsthoughts.com.)
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Carry-a-Kimber wrote:Have you given any thought to the Nikon M-308 w/ Rapid Action Turret?

Big ups to the Nikon M308 and M223 scopes. I have a 1X4 M223 BDC 600. It is made out of top notch materials, and you gotta love the rapid action turret. No caps to lose or change to mess with.
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Since I paid extra for two day shipping from Optics Planet, the brown Santa brought the Trijicon (and a Celestron C 90 spotting scope) this afternoon. After some ranch chores, I unmounted the old scope and installed the Trijicon.

Oh my, oh my, and wow. :woohoo

The glass is bright and very sharp from one edge to another, colors looked good with no fringing at max power (10x) that I could detect. The turrets (which are covered ) have a great click and detent, there is no mistaking when or how far you turned it. At this point, I am extremely pleased with my purchase. The only nit I have with the scope is the magnification ring and the illumination ring are fairly stiff to turn but I suspect this will loosen up with use.

Dear wife and I are headed to the range tomorrow to sight the Bushmaster in with the Trijicon and play with the handguns. The M&P22 will stay home since I can't find 22LR ammo - I hate to shoot up the few hundred rounds I have with nothing in the pipeline.

It will be so much more productive to finally have a spotting scope - those 200 yard round trips got sort of old after the fourth or fifth one (and everybody is waiting on you :???: .)

Stay tuned for a range report tomorrow.
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The new scope is a complete work of art, the glass is fantastic - I love it. Sighting it in at 25 yards I found the turret clicks to be spot-on. The same problem happened at the 100 yard range with the shots going all over the place - I mean +- a foot like my last scope :grumble . There was an experienced shooter at the rifle range (only two of us there) who helped me diagnose the problem. He's a long distance competitive target shooter with both bolt guns and AR-types, so after much head scratching (he shot the Bushy as well) the reason seems be the very loose sliding stock when it's fully extended so the action plan is to pull the slider off and install a fixed stock.

Sigh, another 50 bucks of ammo shot and we're still not there :waiting: .
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johncanfield wrote:The new scope is a complete work of art, the glass is fantastic - I love it. Sighting it in at 25 yards I found the turret clicks to be spot-on. The same problem happened at the 100 yard range with the shots going all over the place - I mean +- a foot like my last scope :grumble . There was an experienced shooter at the rifle range (only two of us there) who helped me diagnose the problem. He's a long distance competitive target shooter with both bolt guns and AR-types, so after much head scratching (he shot the Bushy as well) the reason seems be the very loose sliding stock when it's fully extended so the action plan is to pull the slider off and install a fixed stock.

Sigh, another 50 bucks of ammo shot and we're still not there :waiting: .
An adjustable stock may affect the shooter's capability but not the rifle's accuracy.
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Took the Bushy to my brother-in-law's ranch this weekend and he worked with me sighting it in. The major problem was the shooter :oops: compounded by the loose sliding stock and using different ammo :oops: . Magpul STR stock being delivered tomorrow. A contributing factor was most likely the barrel heating up after running several rounds through it. Feeling much better about the Bushy now.
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johncanfield wrote:Took the Bushy to my brother-in-law's ranch this weekend and he worked with me sighting it in. The major problem was the shooter :oops: compounded by the loose sliding stock and using different ammo :oops: . Magpul STR stock being delivered tomorrow. A contributing factor was most likely the barrel heating up after running several rounds through it. Feeling much better about the Bushy now.
John, I found that I shot mine best if I did not zoom the magnification all the way up. I got better results between 5X and 10X than I did between 10X an 20X, even though the temptation was definitely there to zoom way in and make the target all nice and big and easier to see. I suspect that 20X would be just fine at distances well out past 100 yards where distance "dampens" the effect of the magnification, but at "only" 100 yards, I could see my heartbeat making the reticle jump a bit with each beat, and it was kind of distracting.

I have an adjustable stock, Magpul PRS, but it is quite rigid with no play in it at all. Even so, I found that my AR10 was very finicky about everything from body english to how I'm breathing..........more so than any of my other rifles. If you do everything just right, she's a big ol' generous sweetheart and will put 4 rounds into one hole. Get one detail wrong, and you'll be shooting two inch groups with handloaded match ammo. I've spoken to other AR10 SASS rifle shooters who claim much the same kind of experience.
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Re: Upgrades to my Bushy .308

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Totally off topic but why the adjustable gas block? Are you planning on running suppressed?

I've always preferred to cut the FSB down as I think it nets a tighter lockup but I love adjustable gas blocks on canned guns.
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TAM - I am on a path to living your experience the more I use the Bushy. My bolt gun is so forgiving and even as a new shooter, I had zero problems doing <2" groups, so the Bushy was really getting frustrating. I'm learning that good breath control and keeping it shoved hard in my shoulder really makes a positive difference.

My BIL said I should stick with one kind/brand/grain of ammo (makes sense), but that's difficult to do considering how scarce ammo is, so I'll keep shooting my ammo menagerie recognizing that they will hit differently.
gigag04 wrote:Totally off topic but why the adjustable gas block? Are you planning on running suppressed?
I needed a low profile gas block due to the Apex handguard, so I thought I might as well buy an adjustable one so I can tune in how much gas goes back to the bolt. No immediate suppressor plans for the Bushy - not sure how effective that would be on a .308, I do want one for the M&P 22 handgun though.
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