30.06 question

[Ericstac]

I had to run up to the Sugar Land Methodist ER and when doing so I had to turn around and disarm in my car due to a 30.06 sign.. But I'm not a 100% sure on its being correct. I didn't have time to stare at it as I was in a rush but the one thing that popped out was it was on a double sliding glass door. White letters, cool. But the English was on the left door and the Spanish was on the right door.

I have only ever seen them in real life and example photos being together and considered one sign, but being on two separate doors that at in any given moment could be 12-15ft apart it had me questioning my disarming.

[Teamless]

they can be separated, they just both have to be posted

[MeMelYup]

PC §30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder:
(1) carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent;
and (2) received notice that:
(A) entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed
handgun was forbidden; or
(B) remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was
forbidden and failed to depart.
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner
of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.
(c) In this section:
(1) “Entry” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.05(b).
(2) “License holder” has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035(f). (3) “Written communication” means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun”; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both
English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one
inch in height; and
public.

[RottenApple]

they can be separated, they just both have to be posted

When I see a 30.06, if the English is correct, and the contrasting colors are there, and the letters are ~1" tall, then I don't carry. I don't care if the Spanish is there or not because it could theoretically be posted at another location in the building.

Sadly, I frequently have to deliver patients to 30.06 posted facilities and have to disarm. Outside of work, I've never been anywhere that is properly posted (that I recall).

[srothstein]

I think the answer is in the code, but I would really hate to be the test case for it. As MeMelYup posted and highlighted, the law says "a sign". The legal question would be what does the word "a" mean in a case like this. Can a single sign be posted across two windows? I see that all the time with the bar down the middle. I would not worry about the second sign being at a different location, but on the two doors that are normally closed, I would put my money on the court saying that this is still a single sign.

but if someone else wants to test it, I would chip a few bucks into the defense fund because I think it would be an interesting way to get case law made.

[Ericstac]

^^ see the way the law reads its specifically states "a sign". Not "two signs near each other".

As I was leaving I drove by two other entrances, non-ER and they were the same way, using two separate signs, one for English and one for Spanish.

[jmra]

^^ see the way the law reads its specifically states "a sign". Not "two signs near each other".

As I was leaving I drove by two other entrances, non-ER and they were the same way, using two separate signs, one for English and one for Spanish.

I don't have enough money squirreled away to split those hairs. Maybe someone else does and is willing to be a test case.

Of course concealed being concealed...

[RottenApple]

^^ see the way the law reads its specifically states "a sign". Not "two signs near each other".

As I was leaving I drove by two other entrances, non-ER and they were the same way, using two separate signs, one for English and one for Spanish.

I don't have enough money squirreled away to split those hairs. Maybe someone else does and is willing to be a test case.

Of course concealed being concealed...

I'd love to see a test case, I just don't want to be the test case.

[MeMelYup]

Here is where we need the AG's opinion.

[Ericstac]

had to go back again today. lucky me.

i also noticed these doors slide behind the solid glass walls on either side instead of in front, so the signs are sorts blocked and not clearly visable when doors are open.

[gringo pistolero]

they can be separated, they just both have to be posted

Separate but equal?

[RottenApple]

not to hijack but white letters on a glass door?

dont seem to be contrasting?

what exactly is "contrast"

in mckinney the registration office is posted but you pretty much have to look hard for 3006 as the letters blend into the clear glass so to speak

just talking aloud....

If the glass is smoke colored or tinted (as most hospitals in the DFW area are), or the wall/area behind the glass is dark, then it is definitely contrasting.

Clear glass, OTOH....

[gdanaher]

If it's anything like Baylor facilities with VERY large white letters, it would easily be visible on clear glass. If the only issue was the level of contrast in the sign, you would need a unique judge.