DPX issue at range today....

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NcongruNt wrote:
spud wrote:I agree. Everyone should change their carry ammo today. And get on a schedule of swapping it on a regular occasion. Im SO glad it happened at a range.

I will post back when I talk to Corbon about this situation.
But I just put mine in last week! ;-)

S&B lacquers the primers and the joint where the edge of the case meets the bullet so that moisture/oil can't get in. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they make JHP in .380. The alternative would be to do this yourself to whatever carry ammo you use. I've run across places that sell lacquer for this purpose this in the past, but can't seem to find it at the moment. My guess would be that any model lacquer would do the trick, applied with a very fine paint brush. One of those little $3.00 1/2 ounce bottles should be more than enough. I might try this with some of my ammo and see how it works.
Finger nail polish should do it. I think clear is avaolable, if you don't want to defend yourself with "luscious cherry red". :lol:
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That is a great idea, I think I will do that to all of my carry ammo.

As for the Corbon QC comment....

It is so hard to sift through the mounds of caliber/gun/ammo wars on forums, I just cant tell what works best. I thought the info I found on the DPX in .380 was the best. But now Im not sure. Now I have 8 boxes (.380, .40, .45) of DPX, that im not so sure about. I guess I can just go with Speer in the .380? That seems to get the most love from the crown as a whole.

Just not sure where to go or what to do... Head is all messed up over this one. Right now I am carrying my XD45 with DPX and I am a little worried.

I REALLY hope this is a once in a lifetime kind of thing.
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spud wrote:That is a great idea, I think I will do that to all of my carry ammo.

As for the Corbon QC comment....

It is so hard to sift through the mounds of caliber/gun/ammo wars on forums, I just cant tell what works best. I thought the info I found on the DPX in .380 was the best. But now Im not sure. Now I have 8 boxes (.380, .40, .45) of DPX, that im not so sure about. I guess I can just go with Speer in the .380? That seems to get the most love from the crown as a whole.

Just not sure where to go or what to do... Head is all messed up over this one. Right now I am carrying my XD45 with DPX and I am a little worried.

I REALLY hope this is a once in a lifetime kind of thing.
I believe it is a once in a lifetime thing, but that's just me.

As to what loads you carry, you have to balance your personal comfort with the load against what you expect to need the load to do. I carry 230g Hydra-Shoks because I believe that in a .45 it'll do everything needed. Even if it never expands, it isn't any worse than hardball ammo, and it has less chance of overpenetrating if I have to use it for home defense.

My Pop perfers hardball in his. He says if he ever has to shoot someone, he wants his ammo to be able to chase 'em around the corner (or even THROUGH the corner) and STILL kick their backside, and he feels most confident of hardball's abiulity to do that.

If you doubt the dependability of the DPX loads, then they aren't the right ones for you. You can shoot 'em at the range, trade 'em to someone who DOES like 'em, or toss 'em in the trashcan, but if you aren't 100% certain they'll fire when you need 'em, don't carry 'em.
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I just got off the phone with Mike Wright over at CorBon. He is blown away at this happening. I am sengin him my barrel and 3 boxes of ammo. Said he will trade me 2 for 1 on ammo and remove the round for me. With what he was telling me I think I am going to be ok. I enjoy how the DPX round shoots, feeds and recoils. This just made me kind of jumpy. I think everything will be ok.
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I would be very surprised if you were able to get enough oil in the cartridge to clump the powder just by putting it in an over-oiled weapon. That would take a lot of oil… :shock:

The rounds I’ve seen that were impacted by the oil in the weapon had their primers deactivated, but the powder still worked. The primers are pretty sensitive to solvents, and penetrating oils can get to unsealed primers pretty easily.

Since the round was halfway down the barrel, I assume the primer went off, but at best only some of the powder ignited.

At first glance it sounds like the manufacturer had a quality problem…

I’m with Charles on the dowel rod. When I first started out with progressive loaders, the Dillon powder measure would periodically stick and not drop a charge. It was a design flaw in the measure, and it only happened ~1 out of every 500 rounds. Dillon fixed the issue, but not before I had reloaded over 5,000 rounds.

When I came across that bad round, it would put the bullet around half way down the barrel. I would take down the pistol, get out my dowel, put it in the barrel, and rap it on a hard surface. A couple of hits, and the bullet would drop out. Reassemble the weapon, and go back to shooting.

If all that happened is you had a squib, which is what it sounds like, and you didn’t fire another round with the squib stuck in the barrel, there won’t be any damage to your weapon. The pressure in the barrel would have been way lower then with a normal round.

By the way, if you had of fired another round, we would be having a different discussion about a destroyed handgun, and probable damage to you! :shock:
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spud wrote:I just got off the phone with Mike Wright over at CorBon. He is blown away at this happening. I am sengin him my barrel and 3 boxes of ammo. Said he will trade me 2 for 1 on ammo and remove the round for me. With what he was telling me I think I am going to be ok. I enjoy how the DPX round shoots, feeds and recoils. This just made me kind of jumpy. I think everything will be ok.
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Yeah, what happened?
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Ah yes. Sorry have been away from the computer for awhile. He send me back 7 boxes of brand new .380. As well as he removed the dud from the barrel. Took it to the range and it shot flawlessly. I ran through a box of the new stuff and it worked 100%. He expressed that this was a 1 in a million event. Good people down there.
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george wrote:The new American Handgunner has an article concerning gun oils doing this to ammunition.


Yup,

Gun "oils" generally do not stay in place for very long.

When lubricating your weapon.....it is well to know where to use oil (appropriate some places) and where to use a good gun grease.

I use grease primarily... and oil (sparingly) on parts that I can not easily reach with grease.

NEVER had a problem.
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I know some folks who use Corbon on a seriously regular basis, and haven't heard of a problem with it. Seems like squibs are reported occasionally for all kinds of ammo. One reason to carry a back up gun, I guess! Glad to hear Corbon made double good on it.

As to the oil -- a few weeks ago I experimented with 10 rounds of CCI Blazer 9mm (the aluminum case target ammo). I had always heard the caution about too much oil on the gun, don't oil your magazines, etc and wondered if that was really an issue or an old handgunner's tale. I figured CCI Blazer, being budget target ammo, would be most susceptible to intrusion by oil, i.e. CCI would not spend $$ to seal the primer, etc.

I put put them in the CCI bullet tray (I guess that's what you call the plastic holder they come in), put a drop each of Militec-1 oil on the primer of five of them, and a drop each of Kroil penetrating oil on the other five (I was primarily interested in whether the primer would be affected).

I waited a week - just five hours short of eight full days, actually -- they still had a puddle of oil sitting on each primer. I wiped them off on the nearest rag (my shirttail!), and then fired them one at a time thru my Kahr P-9. Got 10 good bangs, no squibs or anything.

This got me more curious, as a friend of mine told me his police department armorer used to soak discarded ammo in oil to make it inert. I plan to get some more different kinds of oil, including WD-40, and literally soak a couple different kinds of ammo in it for a substantial amount of time (days, at least), then see what the results are.

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ELB wrote: This got me more curious, as a friend of mine told me his police department armorer used to soak discarded ammo in oil to make it inert. I plan to get some more different kinds of oil, including WD-40, and literally soak a couple different kinds of ammo in it for a substantial amount of time (days, at least), then see what the results are.

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Add into the mix... realistic temperatures as well. The inside of many vehicles this time of year can reach 140 deg. F, the same test performed in an air conditioned home may not yield the same results.

Quite a few of us leave our weapons in our vehicles during the day (not necessarily by choice).
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Add into the mix... realistic temperatures as well. The inside of many vehicles this time of year can reach 140 deg. F, the same test performed in an air conditioned home may not yield the same results.
Good suggestion. I will add heat to the mix. I have an old truck I use only occasionally, maybe I will use it for an "incubator." Being as I live in south Texas, this should add some "stress" to the test...

thx.

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Post by Photoman »

I've shot approx. 500 rounds of CorBon over the years and have never had one failed to fire. I think your experience is VERY rare and probably no more likely with CorBon than with any other major brand. Mike is a good guy and I'm glad to hear he took care of you.
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