Companies posting 30.06 according to TSRA

[sparx]

But why are we being told by the TSRA that they are posting signs? Should we refrain from using anything with TI parts? Such as the computers we are using to view this website? Should we petition them to remove the signs despite the fact that we will never have to heed it (unless we are an employee, vendor or business customer)? Shall we label them 'anti-gun' and refuse to invest in them?

How is the average CHL holder supposed to take this information? If they are anti-gun then I'll trade in my stock right away!

They are posting those businesses that have 30.06 signs so that others that are CHL holders will be aware, not that they expect us to boycott them, would be my guess. For example, as others have stated, it is nice to know these things ahead of time if a CHL traveler needs to visit the establishment (and especially if they are from out of town and driving a rental car... risky leaving it at the hotel, and possibly even a higher risk leaving it in the car perhaps).

With regards to petitioning a business, that's your call and I'm sure that the TSRA would agree with that. Personally I don't know if TI is "anti" or not, but a good example of a business that I would consider "anti", at least from what I've heard (and will gladly stand corrected if the information I received is false), is Canon USA. Not only can you not carry (which is not totally unusual), nor can you keep a firearm in your vehicle if it's on their property (which is pushing the envelope in my book), but if you work there, you are to disclose to them if you hold a CHL, and if you get a CHL while employed, you have to disclose it to them as well. An infraction of either instance can result in immediate termination of employment. Now that is "anti" in my mind (and a violation of privacy I would think). Therefore, I do boycott anything and everything Canon.

[NcongruNt]

But why are we being told by the TSRA that they are posting signs? Should we refrain from using anything with TI parts? Such as the computers we are using to view this website? Should we petition them to remove the signs despite the fact that we will never have to heed it (unless we are an employee, vendor or business customer)? Shall we label them 'anti-gun' and refuse to invest in them?

How is the average CHL holder supposed to take this information? If they are anti-gun then I'll trade in my stock right away!

They are posting those businesses that have 30.06 signs so that others that are CHL holders will be aware, not that they expect us to boycott them, would be my guess. For example, as others have stated, it is nice to know these things ahead of time if a CHL traveler needs to visit the establishment (and especially if they are from out of town and driving a rental car... risky leaving it at the hotel, and possibly even a higher risk leaving it in the car perhaps).

With regards to petitioning a business, that's your call and I'm sure that the TSRA would agree with that. Personally I don't know if TI is "anti" or not, but a good example of a business that I would consider "anti", at least from what I've heard (and will gladly stand corrected if the information I received is false), is Canon USA. Not only can you not carry (which is not totally unusual), nor can you keep a firearm in your vehicle if it's on their property (which is pushing the envelope in my book), but if you work there, you are to disclose to them if you hold a CHL, and if you get a CHL while employed, you have to disclose it to them as well. An infraction of either instance can result in immediate termination of employment. Now that is "anti" in my mind (and a violation of privacy I would think). Therefore, I do boycott anything and everything Canon.

I've been reading a LOT of discussion (mostly speculation) on THR (see this thread: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=269526) about this Canon anti-CHL policy, and there seems to be only a single source of information, and even then, it is only a single quote from the TSRA. Charles, I don't know your credentials but I gather from posts I've read that you're some figure of authority with the TSRA (or can at least make some sort of authoritative statement regarding TSRA issues). If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, as I haven't taken the time to sift through thousands of threads to find this out for sure. Do you have any information regarding this issue? It seems that the claims about this are shrouded in ambiguity, and the only answer anyone has gotten from anyone is a response to a user over there from the TSRA quoting an employee manual. Any clarification you (or anyone else for that matter) can bring would be helpful.

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[stevie_d_64]

Charles probably won't toot his own horn, so I'll jump in and toot it for him...

When I need a question answered or a gut check because I need it...Charles is who I go to to fill that void...

He is a on the board of directors with the NRA and is a key member of the legal committee that also helps develop legislation at all levels of our government processees...

He's an avid shooter and is a joy to work with when you get the chance to attend any classes he puts on around the area...

Plus he's about the smoothest guy I have ever seen on his feet when he shoots...Its like watching Fred Astaire, and Ginger Rogers being that fine Les Baer Thunder Ranch .45 he carries...

So yeah, he's credentialed enough for me...

[Charles L. Cotton]

Wow, now I'm too embarrassed to post anything!

Cannon USA is the poster-child for employee parking lot legislation. They are also the prime reason CHL confidentiality legislation has passed the House this session by a huge margin. (It has passed the House two session in a row, but not by this margin.) Their policy is even worse than most believe. Not only do they expect any employee who has a CHL let them know, they also require an employee to tell them of any change in their CHL status; any change at all. They claim they also periodically send a request to DPS to check whether employees have CHL's and the response better match the employee's personnel file. They even want to be notified if you apply, or choose not to apply for renewal.

Even thinking about the audacity of this company makes my blood boil. But then, the parent company is Canadian so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.

Chas.

[Geister]

Grape Vine Mill's Mall, Grapevine, TX

They've got to be joking. I won't go to a mall without a gun. I've been to this mall several years ago, and granted it's nice but there's nothing to keep the gangs from roaming the area.

[tfrazier]

Quote: "I was told by a DPS friend (in fact today at lunch) that Grapevine PD is not CHL friendly ... "

He nailed it.

As a former Police Officer I'd like to point out that while a department's brass may have an unfriendly attitude about CHL holders, and will influence hires under their regime, some members of the rank and file may be different. I served under three different chiefs in my eight years as a cop in Greenville, Tx; two of those chiefs were stand up guys with common sense and one was a total liberal idiot. The rookies that one hired and the people he promoted during his tenure were generally cut from the same cloth as he.

Unless the demographic of the average cop has drastically changed over the last few years I'd be willing to bet we have at least a few friends at Grapevine PD. I don't want those individuals who would be favorable to us to be aleinated and decide we're a buch of anti-Grapevine Police bigots...and I'm certainly not saying anyone here is. Just a caution not to lump in the good with the bad.

I know the job, and I got out because of the frustration and low pay (decided to go into an occupation with more stress, danger and frustration: Computer Services!!!).

I salute all those willing to stick with their Law Enforcement Careers in spite of the liberal courts and lousy benefits. Of course, unprofessionalism or treating us more assertively just because we are CHL isn't acceptable, either.

I'd like to know some specific experiences CHLs have had with individual Grapevine officers. I've had one speeding ticket from them (failed to notice a school zone and got nailed for 27 in a 20 a few years back - I deserved it) and the other two were just warnings in my several years living in Grapevine.

[hi-power]

I'd like to know some specific experiences CHLs have had with individual Grapevine officers. I've had one speeding ticket from them (failed to notice a school zone and got nailed for 27 in a 20 a few years back - I deserved it) and the other two were just warnings in my several years living in Grapevine.

I haven't been stopped by Grapevine PD since I've gotten my CHL this time around, but have been stopped several times since moving there in 1978. I've received more warnings than tickets and have no complaints with the way I've been treated.

I believe the attitude that Grapevine PD is anti-CHL stems from the shooting in the late '90's in which a CHL'er defended himself from some nut who forced him off the highway in a case of mistaken identity. Grapevine PD showed up and according to the CHL'er, he was treated a little roughly while they attempted to understand what happened and secure the handgun. Some snide comments were made at the scene, (according to the CHL'er), and during the overnight jail stay. The only bright spot was that the judge seemed to understand the case fully and reduced his bail, enabling him to get out of jail for a mere $1,500 the next day.

Anyway, that was a long time ago, not long after CHL became law, and attitudes may have changed since then. I'm sure I'll find out soon since I'm like Sammy Hagar. (I can't drive 55).

[jbirds1210]

Jim Dark is a member here. I have emailed him in the past using the contact information listed on the TSRA website....he responded the same day.
Jason

[stevie_d_64]

Central KIA automobile dealership on Central Expressway(75) in Plano is posted....I was looking for a used car for my daughter last year and noticed a Jeep Cherokee on their lot and thought I'd check on it. The salesman was decent enough and we made a "deal" (Let the games begin) that he could take to his sales manager. As we entered the store above the glass front doors was the 30.06 sign. I informed him that I could not enter nor could I purchase the Jeep from him because of the dealerships position on CHL. I thought that since I was writing a check I might get an audience with the powers that be...NOT!!! The salesman said that they sometimes have children in the dealership as a reason for the sign...I replied, "that is the perfect reason to take it down," and left.

Cody

This is really a great example I see of a determined pro gun-control mentality...

They post a sign which is designed to restrict the only people who have jumped through the hoops and legally qualify to carry a firearm for lawful self-defense purposes...They know this, and the purpose is clear...And they have that right according to the law...So...

But the reason they give their employees behind the posting, is because they have "children come into their business"??? I have to really wonder how some people manage to put one foot in front of the other sometimes...

I would have made absolutely sure at that point to that employee, and their management why they lost the sale that day...

[stevie_d_64]

I'd like to know some specific experiences CHLs have had with individual Grapevine officers. I've had one speeding ticket from them (failed to notice a school zone and got nailed for 27 in a 20 a few years back - I deserved it) and the other two were just warnings in my several years living in Grapevine.

I haven't been stopped by Grapevine PD since I've gotten my CHL this time around, but have been stopped several times since moving there in 1978. I've received more warnings than tickets and have no complaints with the way I've been treated.

I believe the attitude that Grapevine PD is anti-CHL stems from the shooting in the late '90's in which a CHL'er defended himself from some nut who forced him off the highway in a case of mistaken identity. Grapevine PD showed up and according to the CHL'er, he was treated a little roughly while they attempted to understand what happened and secure the handgun. Some snide comments were made at the scene, (according to the CHL'er), and during the overnight jail stay. The only bright spot was that the judge seemed to understand the case fully and reduced his bail, enabling him to get out of jail for a mere $1,500 the next day.

Anyway, that was a long time ago, not long after CHL became law, and attitudes may have changed since then. I'm sure I'll find out soon since I'm like Sammy Hagar. (I can't drive 55).

Wasn't that the first incident involving a Texas CHL'er in a defensive shooting??? IIRC???

[hi-power]

Wasn't that the first incident involving a Texas CHL'er in a defensive shooting??? IIRC???

Not the first, but one of the first few. The first one was that guy in Dallas that banged side mirrors with some delivery driver. The delivery guy pinned his car in traffic and proceeded to pound on him through the driver's side window. Very similar, though.

[stevie_d_64]

Wasn't that the first incident involving a Texas CHL'er in a defensive shooting??? IIRC???

Not the first, but one of the first few. The first one was that guy in Dallas that banged side mirrors with some delivery driver. The delivery guy pinned his car in traffic and proceeded to pound on him through the driver's side window. Very similar, though.

Gotcha...Thanks...

I was close though...Right???

Shut up Steve!

[hi-power]

I was close though...Right???

No! No cookie for you!

[Photoman]

Wow, now I'm too embarrassed to post anything!

Cannon USA is the poster-child for employee parking lot legislation. They are also the prime reason CHL confidentiality legislation has passed the House this session by a huge margin. (It has passed the House two session in a row, but not by this margin.) Their policy is even worse than most believe. Not only do they expect any employee who has a CHL let them know, they also require an employee to tell them of any change in their CHL status; any change at all. They claim they also periodically send a request to DPS to check whether employees have CHL's and the response better match the employee's personnel file. They even want to be notified if you apply, or choose not to apply for renewal.

Even thinking about the audacity of this company makes my blood boil. But then, the parent company is Canadian so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.

Chas.

I couldn't work for a company with that mindset. No money in the world is worth my self-respect.