So, we gave them weapons, turns out they're Al-Qaeda..

[DEB]

Didn't this motley crew just execute a teen for saying something mean about Mohammed. I don't want to send a red cent or pepper spray to people who are willing to shoot a teenager in the head for saying something stupid. If they cannot handle a teen being a teen without executing people then I don't want to give them so much as a club to fight anyone with. They are not mentally stable.


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/ ... 370881538/

Those are extremists, I despise them and I hate them. This just a criminal act, that should never be allowed or tolerated.

Thank you Beiruty for your comment.

[mojo84]

No it doesn't. You presumptively believing what those in authority say doesn't constitute a debunking of anything. You simply choose to believe one set of claims over the other. And frankly, given all the recent proof of pervasive government lying, fraud, and deception, believing the government version of events makes no more sense than believing anyone else.

I believe it because of reason and logic. I know Pakistan wasn't allowing the US to directly fund anyone, they wanted to control all money and arms dispersal's themselves. There were no massive CIA camps because Pakistan wanted to get their cut of everything. If the CIA did have some secret programs where they directly funded anyone they wouldn't of picked some rich foreigner. There is no logic this is crap the lefties made up during Bush's campaigns and now some far right people are starting in on it. It's just sad. The Arabs who came in had their own funding sources and would of had no need for US money. They were also only about 1% of the fighters in Afghanistan and not particularly well liked. The main US "associates" were tribal and were attacked by the Taliban after the Russians left. You know the Taliban right? The group UBL was so friendly with. So you got a couple of people, and really you can count on one hand, who state that UBL was somehow connected, but all facts and logic debunk it but you decide you believe the conspiracy. Enjoy I'm done wasting my time.

Reason and logic would lead me to think the people elected and appointed to make and uphold the laws and defend the Constitution would do so without violating the Constitution. Now with Fast and Furious, IRS, AP, Benghazi, PRISM, etc., I know different.

[VMI77]

No it doesn't. You presumptively believing what those in authority say doesn't constitute a debunking of anything. You simply choose to believe one set of claims over the other. And frankly, given all the recent proof of pervasive government lying, fraud, and deception, believing the government version of events makes no more sense than believing anyone else.

I believe it because of reason and logic. I know Pakistan wasn't allowing the US to directly fund anyone, they wanted to control all money and arms dispersal's themselves. There were no massive CIA camps because Pakistan wanted to get their cut of everything. If the CIA did have some secret programs where they directly funded anyone they wouldn't of picked some rich foreigner. There is no logic this is crap the lefties made up during Bush's campaigns and now some far right people are starting in on it. It's just sad. The Arabs who came in had their own funding sources and would of had no need for US money. They were also only about 1% of the fighters in Afghanistan and not particularly well liked. The main US "associates" were tribal and were attacked by the Taliban after the Russians left. You know the Taliban right? The group UBL was so friendly with. So you got a couple of people, and really you can count on one hand, who state that UBL was somehow connected, but all facts and logic debunk it but you decide you believe the conspiracy. Enjoy I'm done wasting my time.

There you go again, making a presumption based on what you want to believe, rather than the facts, such as they are. I have not stated whether I believe it or not, and as a matter of record, I'd say there is no way of knowing for sure either way. I merely challenged your false assertion that there was no basis for believing the US had previously given support to OBL. I have no idea what Bush has to do with your contention, since Reagan was president during the time we're talking about --suggesting to me you're a Bushbot. You're clearly someone who deals more in emotion that facts and logic. When you disregard something as a possible fact because of a political alignment you're not being logical at all, just partisan: it's called "an appeal to motive" --a logical fallacy. Perhaps you should study logic before you claim to be a master of it.

I don't know why you're even posting here since surely a high-level insider like you who "knows" what the Pakistani government does and doesn't do wouldn't have time for us mere mortals. The contention the YOU KNOW what the Pakistani government did and did not do is so absurd it erases all claims you have made to fact and logic, as does your emotional fealty to George W. Bush. GWB is the guy who built the surveillance state and proto-police state that Obama is expanding. And btw, neither Bush was a conservative, and just because Obama is far far worse doesn't make either of them good presidents or honest men.

[EEllis]

There you go again, making a presumption based on what you want to believe, rather than the facts, such as they are. I have not stated whether I believe it or not, and as a matter of record, I'd say there is no way of knowing for sure either way. I merely challenged your false assertion that there was no basis for believing the US had previously given support to OBL. I have no idea what Bush has to do with your contention, since Reagan was president during the time we're talking about --suggesting to me you're a Bushbot. You're clearly someone who deals more in emotion that facts and logic. When you disregard something as a possible fact because of a political alignment you're not being logical at all, just partisan: it's called "an appeal to motive" --a logical fallacy. Perhaps you should study logic before you claim to be a master of it.

I don't know why you're even posting here since surely a high-level insider like you who "knows" what the Pakistani government does and doesn't do wouldn't have time for us mere mortals. The contention the YOU KNOW what the Pakistani government did and did not do is so absurd it erases all claims you have made to fact and logic, as does your emotional fealty to George W. Bush. GWB is the guy who built the surveillance state and proto-police state that Obama is expanding. And btw, neither Bush was a conservative, and just because Obama is far far worse doesn't make either of them good presidents or honest men.

No I made it on the facts. I listed some and you ignored them. Maybe you believe maybe you just like to troll, don't care, what I don't like is general idiocy getting out as somehow fact. People skim thru and the think ideas like that have some legitimacy when it really believing them just makes them look stupid. As far as the Bush "connection" it's not that I'm a "Bushbot" it's just that lefties pulled out the UBL being trained by CIA when Bush ran for President. Why since it was false and he wasn't the Pres at that time, I don't know, but they did. Then later other people started to repeat the idiocy as if repetition would make it less stupid. That you picked out that to trash me and Bush both shows how little you care about fact. Why bother when making crap up is easier right? And yes I Kow what Pakistan did. How, Because of the massive amounts of government officials, military, politicians, and even the press, not to mention common sense, because the thieves would have to control the cash to steal any significant amount, that have said so from the beginning. Heck you haven't really challenged any points I made at all just tried to be dismissive and insulting to "win" a debate. Troll elsewhere I'm done with you

[VMI77]

There you go again, making a presumption based on what you want to believe, rather than the facts, such as they are. I have not stated whether I believe it or not, and as a matter of record, I'd say there is no way of knowing for sure either way. I merely challenged your false assertion that there was no basis for believing the US had previously given support to OBL. I have no idea what Bush has to do with your contention, since Reagan was president during the time we're talking about --suggesting to me you're a Bushbot. You're clearly someone who deals more in emotion that facts and logic. When you disregard something as a possible fact because of a political alignment you're not being logical at all, just partisan: it's called "an appeal to motive" --a logical fallacy. Perhaps you should study logic before you claim to be a master of it.

I don't know why you're even posting here since surely a high-level insider like you who "knows" what the Pakistani government does and doesn't do wouldn't have time for us mere mortals. The contention the YOU KNOW what the Pakistani government did and did not do is so absurd it erases all claims you have made to fact and logic, as does your emotional fealty to George W. Bush. GWB is the guy who built the surveillance state and proto-police state that Obama is expanding. And btw, neither Bush was a conservative, and just because Obama is far far worse doesn't make either of them good presidents or honest men.

No I made it on the facts. I listed some and you ignored them. Maybe you believe maybe you just like to troll, don't care, what I don't like is general idiocy getting out as somehow fact. People skim thru and the think ideas like that have some legitimacy when it really believing them just makes them look stupid. As far as the Bush "connection" it's not that I'm a "Bushbot" it's just that lefties pulled out the UBL being trained by CIA when Bush ran for President. Why since it was false and he wasn't the Pres at that time, I don't know, but they did. Then later other people started to repeat the idiocy as if repetition would make it less stupid. That you picked out that to trash me and Bush both shows how little you care about fact. Why bother when making crap up is easier right? And yes I Kow what Pakistan did. How, Because of the massive amounts of government officials, military, politicians, and even the press, not to mention common sense, because the thieves would have to control the cash to steal any significant amount, that have said so from the beginning. Heck you haven't really challenged any points I made at all just tried to be dismissive and insulting to "win" a debate. Troll elsewhere I'm done with you

Again? Previous statement:

Enjoy I'm done wasting my time.

I don't turn the other cheek, I give back what I get. You were smug AND dismissive, me, at most dismissive. Now you're calling me a liar, and after you falsely claimed you were "done wasting your time." Are all neocons oblivious to irony?