Chicago Man Threatens Convenience Store Customers

[Dad24GreatKids]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Pepsi.html

As I was reading thru this article I was thinking about what I might do if confronted with a situation like this. Then I got to the end and thought that this might be a positive outcome of the .22LR ammo shortage.....

Shelton's gun had eight live rounds loaded in the magazine, five in another magazine, and a single round in the chamber.

[scottmeador]

It's the Pepsi that did it. Ban Pepsi!

[puma guy]

"submachine gun" He must have had one of the defective models. he was stylish though; he pulled it from a Gucci satchel.

"Over its production run, the TEC-22 suffered from various quality control issues. For example, some were recalled because they were firing automatic bursts."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intratec_TEC-22

[uthornsfan]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Pepsi.html

As I was reading thru this article I was thinking about what I might do if confronted with a situation like this. Then I got to the end and thought that this might be a positive outcome of the .22LR ammo shortage.....

Shelton's gun had eight live rounds loaded in the magazine, five in another magazine, and a single round in the chamber.

I like how they state "and a single round in the chamber"

I mean I always carry more than one in the chamber dont you?

[chasfm11]

Shelton, 36, was arrested and charged with aggravated assault, unlawful use of a weapon by a felon, and possessing an invalid FOID card.

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Wait.... An "invalid" FOID?? First, weren't FOIDs suppose to protect the public from criminals getting guns? How does one go about obtaining an "invalid" FOID? I can understand a fradulent FOID or a forged FOID but an invalid FOID? Doesn't that imply that it was valid at some point?

[Jumping Frog]

The Brits publishing the Daily Mail never fail to pick up negative US gun stories.

[jimlongley]

Shelton, 36, was arrested and charged with aggravated assault, unlawful use of a weapon by a felon, and possessing an invalid FOID card.

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Wait.... An "invalid" FOID?? First, weren't FOIDs suppose to protect the public from criminals getting guns? How does one go about obtaining an "invalid" FOID? I can understand a fradulent FOID or a forged FOID but an invalid FOID? Doesn't that imply that it was valid at some point?

I have an "invalid FOID." When I left IL for TX I checked in to the FOID law, rules, and regulations, and found mention of "out of state" FOID, so after I established my permanent address in Plano, I notified the Illinois State Police of my address change and requesting, per their rules, out of state status.

I received notice that my FOID had been canceled. I called the Lt in charge of such tings and asked her why my CHL had been revoked - she stated that it had not been revoked, but canceled. I asked her to explain the difference, but she could not, guving me bafflegab instead, and then I asked her about my out of state status, and she told me that there was no "non-resident" FOID (not true) and that if I visited my family there I would be welcome to bring my guns and that my FOID from another state would cover that and any ammunition I needed to purchase. I kept my FOID and still have it, but it is invalid.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

"...if I visited my family there I would be welcome to bring my guns and that my FOID from another state
would cover that and any ammunition I needed to purchase."

Sure, sure. Believe that and your new name would be "Joliet Jake." :-)

SIA

[C-dub]

"...if I visited my family there I would be welcome to bring my guns and that my FOID from another state
would cover that and any ammunition I needed to purchase."

Sure, sure. Believe that and your new name would be "Joliet Jake." :-)

SIA

Not sure where you're going with that, but I have taken a few of my guns with me to visit family in IL and also purchased ammunition there. I don't have an FOID card, but was told that my out of state driver's license was sufficient. No police showed up to arrest me for the ammo purchase. Is it just the FOID card from another state part that you're taking issue with? Do other states have FOID cards? IL is the only one I've heard of.

[Keith B]

"...if I visited my family there I would be welcome to bring my guns and that my FOID from another state
would cover that and any ammunition I needed to purchase."

Sure, sure. Believe that and your new name would be "Joliet Jake." :-)

SIA

Not sure where you're going with that, but I have taken a few of my guns with me to visit family in IL and also purchased ammunition there. I don't have an FOID card, but was told that my out of state driver's license was sufficient. No police showed up to arrest me for the ammo purchase. Is it just the FOID card from another state part that you're taking issue with? Do other states have FOID cards? IL is the only one I've heard of.

Don't confuse Illinois with Cook County and Chicago proper. They are two different states.

[mojo84]

"...if I visited my family there I would be welcome to bring my guns and that my FOID from another state
would cover that and any ammunition I needed to purchase."

Sure, sure. Believe that and your new name would be "Joliet Jake." :-)

SIA

Not sure where you're going with that, but I have taken a few of my guns with me to visit family in IL and also purchased ammunition there. I don't have an FOID card, but was told that my out of state driver's license was sufficient. No police showed up to arrest me for the ammo purchase. Is it just the FOID card from another state part that you're taking issue with? Do other states have FOID cards? IL is the only one I've heard of.

Don't confuse Illinois with Cook County and Chicago proper. They are two different states.

Two different countries.

[chasfm11]

Shelton, 36, was arrested and charged with aggravated assault, unlawful use of a weapon by a felon, and possessing an invalid FOID card.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2yuHLkWby" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Wait.... An "invalid" FOID?? First, weren't FOIDs suppose to protect the public from criminals getting guns? How does one go about obtaining an "invalid" FOID? I can understand a fradulent FOID or a forged FOID but an invalid FOID? Doesn't that imply that it was valid at some point?

I have an "invalid FOID." When I left IL for TX I checked in to the FOID law, rules, and regulations, and found mention of "out of state" FOID, so after I established my permanent address in Plano, I notified the Illinois State Police of my address change and requesting, per their rules, out of state status.

I received notice that my FOID had been canceled. I called the Lt in charge of such tings and asked her why my CHL had been revoked - she stated that it had not been revoked, but canceled. I asked her to explain the difference, but she could not, guving me bafflegab instead, and then I asked her about my out of state status, and she told me that there was no "non-resident" FOID (not true) and that if I visited my family there I would be welcome to bring my guns and that my FOID from another state would cover that and any ammunition I needed to purchase. I kept my FOID and still have it, but it is invalid.

The guy in question was a felon. How did he get a FOID? I understand revoked and cancelled, too, but certainly not for the subject of the story unless he obtained it prior to being convicted of the felony. As happened to you, if his FOID was issued prior to his arrest and felony conviction, it should have been revoked afterward and probably confiscated to boot.

Comparing your case and his is what gets me frothing at the mouth at places like IL. The FOID was put in place as a supposed extra layer of security to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. So does it get enforced on? Law abiding citizens like you and not criminals like him. He should not have ever had a "valid" one ergo it never could become invalid.

[Purplehood]

Why would the guy even bother carrying an FOID of any sort?

[chasfm11]

Why would the guy even bother carrying an FOID of any sort?

He probably needed it to buy ammo for the gun he wasn't supposed to have.

[jimlongley]

"...if I visited my family there I would be welcome to bring my guns and that my FOID from another state
would cover that and any ammunition I needed to purchase."

Sure, sure. Believe that and your new name would be "Joliet Jake." :-)

SIA

Not sure where you're going with that, but I have taken a few of my guns with me to visit family in IL and also purchased ammunition there. I don't have an FOID card, but was told that my out of state driver's license was sufficient. No police showed up to arrest me for the ammo purchase. Is it just the FOID card from another state part that you're taking issue with? Do other states have FOID cards? IL is the only one I've heard of.

Two issues: First; The FOID law and rules DID allow for non-resident IL FOIDs, even if the ISP denied it (they may have changed the wording in the intervening 15 years) and:

Second; The Lt that I was speaking to was quite forceful in her insistence that I would have to present some form of FOID (and she kept referring to it that way) in order to have a gun or buy ammo in IL. I tried to inform her that other states did not have FOIDs per se, and she said that a CHL would not be a valid substitute, and that it didn't matter that a resident of VT would have no ID for gun possession. She was dead set against me retaining my FOID and continued to use the same terminology right until she hung up on me.

We lived in Will County, which, as a neighbor to Cook kind of followed in Cook's footsteps like a little puppy.

The whole thing was a boondoggle from the start. As I said, I asked her to explain the difference between cancellation and revocation and she could not. I pointed out that I had already obtained my non-resident IL hunting license and that that was just an administrative address change, and it was my understanding that FOIDs worked similarly (or at least that the ISRA legal staff thought so, because I had consulted them) and she denied that there was any such thing. In the end I decided not to pursue the issue and I haven't taken a gun back there in the last 15 years, although I did pass through O'Hare and Midway with guns in my checked bags - checked through to a final destination.