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Re: Crowd control drone

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JP171 wrote:
VMI77 wrote:
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VMI77 wrote:Really, what sense does it make that something like hollow point bullets are banned but you can drop a 1,000 lb bomb on someone, or burn them to death with a flame thrower?

very simply, a FMJ or ball round penetrates all the way through imparting less kinetic energy to the target smaller wound cavity and therefore better chance of survival, the object according to the Geneva convention and the rules of war is to remove your enemy from the combat scenario not to kill him/her, to purposely kill an enemy is tantamount to murder to incapacitate/ maim or otherwise remove the enemy soldier from the battlefield is not. however the world court thru the rules of war and the Geneva convention do recognize that people die in war and unintentional death is not a crime, that is why we do not use hollow point rounds in war and 50 cal is NOT allowed to be used against personnel that are in the open and un protected by hardened structure(cough cough yea right) Also one other thing, and this didn't exist during the creation of the afore mentioned laws of war, expanding projectiles will not penetrate a ballistic vest however ball rounds will as close to 4000 fps so we still use ball rounds, but other gubbermints do not, they use all kinds of illegal stuff. Bombs are not designed to kill precisely but rather to injure the largest number of enemy combatants possible within the confines of the blast radius unaffected by material considerations(buildings/Bunkers)

yes its stooped and driven by the loosers (SIC) in several conflicts
Are you saying that snipers aren't using .50 BMG against individuals who are in the open or concealed?

Nope not at all, they do use them, but have to think like a soldier that has been told to not use them against soft targets, the enemy has a helmet that's armor, if said enemy is behind a wadi wall then they are under light armor'/building cover and may be engaged, yea its a bit like that LOL
To be clear, I'm not suggesting they shouldn't, I just think some of these prohibitions are nonsensical given what actually happens in a war.
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Re: Crowd control drone

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War has changed.. And war is war.. What good are these rules other than prosecution after the war is over?
We don't even follow the rules. We don't even follow our own domestic rules!
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VMI77 wrote:http://www.cnet.com/news/pepper-spray-a ... st-orders/
The company describes the Skunk as a "riot control copter." A single operator can fly several Skunk drones flying in formation. Each Skunk boasts eight electric motors with 16-inch propellors, lifting 45kg and carrying 4,000 pepper spray paintballs, plastic balls or other "non-lethal" ammunition.

It's armed with four high-pressure paintball guns capable of firing at up to 20 bullets per second each, meaning up to 80 rounds can blanket a crowd every second.
The drone also includes on-board speakers to warn crowds, as well as bright strobe lights and "blinding lasers" to disorientate victims. Blinding lasers are prohibited for use in war under the auspices of the Geneva Convention.

I think I finally discovered a way to beat all the teenagers at paintball. The speakers would have to be playing Ride [abbreviated profanity deleted] the Valkyrie of course. :anamatedbanana
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Cedar Park Dad wrote:
VMI77 wrote:http://www.cnet.com/news/pepper-spray-a ... st-orders/
The company describes the Skunk as a "riot control copter." A single operator can fly several Skunk drones flying in formation. Each Skunk boasts eight electric motors with 16-inch propellors, lifting 45kg and carrying 4,000 pepper spray paintballs, plastic balls or other "non-lethal" ammunition.

It's armed with four high-pressure paintball guns capable of firing at up to 20 bullets per second each, meaning up to 80 rounds can blanket a crowd every second.
The drone also includes on-board speakers to warn crowds, as well as bright strobe lights and "blinding lasers" to disorientate victims. Blinding lasers are prohibited for use in war under the auspices of the Geneva Convention.

I think I finally discovered a way to beat all the teenagers at paintball. The speakers would have to be playing Ride [abbreviated profanity deleted] the Valkyrie of course. :anamatedbanana
Victory will be more certain if you play it from a helicopter gunship.
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I was thinking it would be a lot of fun to build a miniature SAM or Sidewinder to take out drones.

That would be fantastic to sit at the controls of a drone with a load of sidewinders taking off to hunt other drones.

It is amazing the electronics that can be purchased today. It would be a challenge and a lot of fun.
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Re: Crowd control drone

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The Annoyed Man wrote:
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VMI77 wrote:Really, what sense does it make that something like hollow point bullets are banned but you can drop a 1,000 lb bomb on someone, or burn them to death with a flame thrower?

very simply, a FMJ or ball round penetrates all the way through imparting less kinetic energy to the target smaller wound cavity and therefore better chance of survival, the object according to the Geneva convention and the rules of war is to remove your enemy from the combat scenario not to kill him/her, to purposely kill an enemy is tantamount to murder to incapacitate/ maim or otherwise remove the enemy soldier from the battlefield is not. however the world court thru the rules of war and the Geneva convention do recognize that people die in war and unintentional death is not a crime, that is why we do not use hollow point rounds in war and 50 cal is NOT allowed to be used against personnel that are in the open and un protected by hardened structure(cough cough yea right) Also one other thing, and this didn't exist during the creation of the afore mentioned laws of war, expanding projectiles will not penetrate a ballistic vest however ball rounds will as close to 4000 fps so we still use ball rounds, but other gubbermints do not, they use all kinds of illegal stuff. Bombs are not designed to kill precisely but rather to injure the largest number of enemy combatants possible within the confines of the blast radius unaffected by material considerations(buildings/Bunkers)

yes its stooped and driven by the loosers (SIC) in several conflicts
The standard 7.62x51mm sniper cartridge pushes a 175 grain boat tail HOLLOW POINT. And, the 5.56x45mm cartridge preferred for DMR rifles is a 77 grain boat tail HOLLOW POINT. They get around this by calling it "open-tipped match ammo"........a fine example of splitting hairs if there ever was one. But that said, the Sierra Matchking behaves very much like an FMJ when it hits the target: it deforms a bit, then it yaws and turns around, traveling base-first until it exits. In other words, it really doesn't have any different wounding potential than FMJ ammo.....the only difference being that it has a more stable trajectory, and it won't penetrate armor as easily.

As previously described, the MatchKing is a boat tail, ogival spitzer tip bullet with open tip. The "open tip" is a shallow aperture (approximately the diameter of the wire in a standard size straight pin or paper clip) in the nose of the bullet. While sometimes described as a "hollow point," this is a mischaracterization in law of war terms. Generally a "hollow point" bullet is thought of in terms of its ability to expand on impact with soft tissue. Physical examination of the MatchKing "open tip" bullet reveals that its opening is extremely small in comparison to the aperture in comparable hollow point hunting bullets; for example, the 165-grain GameKing is a true hollow point boat tail bullet with an aperture substantially greater than the MatchKing, and skiving (serrations cut into the jacket) to insure expansion. In the MatchKing, the open tip is closed as much as possible to provide better aerodynamics, and contains no skiving. The lead core of the MatchKing bullet is entirely covered by the bullet jacket. While the GameKing bullet is designed to bring the ballistic advantages of a match bullet to long range hunting, the manufacturer expressly recommends against the use of the MatchKing for hunting game of any size because it does not have the expansion characteristics of a hunting bullet.

The purpose of the small, shallow aperture in the MatchKing is to provide a bullet design offering maximum accuracy at very long ranges, rolling the jacket of the bullet around its core from base to tip; standard military bullets and other match bullets roll the jacket around its core from tip to base, leaving an exposed lead core at its base. Design purpose of the MatchKing was not to produce a bullet that would expand or flatten easily on impact with the human body, or otherwise cause wounds greater than those caused by standard military small arms ammunition.

so nope it doesn't qualify as a hollow point round
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