NEW study by Lott (CC vs Homicide)

[Beiruty]

Just get it here:

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.or ... States.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BigBangSmallBucks]

I think that should read homicide, homocide implies a hate crime.

[BigBangSmallBucks]

Just get it here:

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.or ... States.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm disappointed to see that Texas is number 3 on the list of citizen with CHL's.

[Beiruty]

I think that should read homicide, homocide implies a hate crime.

Fixed.

[gljjt]

Just get it here:

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.or ... States.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm disappointed to see that Texas is number 3 on the list of citizen with CHL's.

Even worse, Texas is 35th in percent of population with a CHL. Texas should be number 1 in both measures.

[Jumping Frog]

I'm disappointed to see that Texas is number 3 on the list of citizen with CHL's.

Even worse, Texas is 35th in percent of population with a CHL. Texas should be number 1 in both measures.

Well, here is one of his conclusions:

-- Each $10 increase in fees reduces the percent of adults with permits by about a half a percentage point.

So let's compare:

Pennsylvania: 872,277 license to carry firearms, population 12,773,801. Percent of population with license = 6.8%

Texas: 708,048 license to carry firearms, population 26,448,193. Percent of population with license = 2.7%

Pennsylvania is WAY, WAY easier to get a license than Texas.

First of all, they are issued by the elected county sheriff (i.e., accountable to voters), not a large, unresponsive state bureaucracy made of of unelected civil servants. For example, most PA Sheriff's will run the background check while the person waits, then a person with a clean background check walks out in 20 minutes with their license to carry. If there is a question on someone's background, they get the license in the mail within a week. Here, we are asking people why they are whining about their license if the sixty days are not expired yet.

Second, a PA license costs $20, no training required. Texas is $140 plus cost of training. By Lott's estimates, if we dropped the price to $20 with no training, we could expect 8.7% of the population with 2,300,000 CHL's. Now, I could get excited about those numbers!

BTW, there is no evidence that PA licensees are any less law-abiding than Texas licensees, regardless of the training or cost differences.

[gljjt]

I'm disappointed to see that Texas is number 3 on the list of citizen with CHL's.

Even worse, Texas is 35th in percent of population with a CHL. Texas should be number 1 in both measures.

Well, here is one of his conclusions:

-- Each $10 increase in fees reduces the percent of adults with permits by about a half a percentage point.

So let's compare:

Pennsylvania: 872,277 license to carry firearms, population 12,773,801. Percent of population with license = 6.8%

Texas: 708,048 license to carry firearms, population 26,448,193. Percent of population with license = 2.7%

Pennsylvania is WAY, WAY easier to get a license than Texas.

First of all, they are issued by the elected county sheriff (i.e., accountable to voters), not a large, unresponsive state bureaucracy made of of unelected civil servants. For example, most PA Sheriff's will run the background check while the person waits, then a person with a clean background check walks out in 20 minutes with their license to carry. If there is a question on someone's background, they get the license in the mail within a week. Here, we are asking people why they are whining about their license if the sixty days are not expired yet.

Second, a PA license costs $20, no training required. Texas is $140 plus cost of training. By Lott's estimates, if we dropped the price to $20 with no training, we could expect 8.7% of the population with 2,300,000 CHL's. Now, I could get excited about those numbers!

BTW, there is no evidence that PA licensees are any less law-abiding than Texas licensees, regardless of the training or cost differences.

Makes sense. Thanks.

[johncanfield]

Hawaii - only 183 concealed carry permits issued .

[Charles L. Cotton]

I'm disappointed to see that Texas is number 3 on the list of citizen with CHL's.

Even worse, Texas is 35th in percent of population with a CHL. Texas should be number 1 in both measures.

Well, here is one of his conclusions:

-- Each $10 increase in fees reduces the percent of adults with permits by about a half a percentage point.

So let's compare:

Pennsylvania: 872,277 license to carry firearms, population 12,773,801. Percent of population with license = 6.8%

Texas: 708,048 license to carry firearms, population 26,448,193. Percent of population with license = 2.7%

Pennsylvania is WAY, WAY easier to get a license than Texas.

First of all, they are issued by the elected county sheriff (i.e., accountable to voters), not a large, unresponsive state bureaucracy made of of unelected civil servants. For example, most PA Sheriff's will run the background check while the person waits, then a person with a clean background check walks out in 20 minutes with their license to carry. If there is a question on someone's background, they get the license in the mail within a week. Here, we are asking people why they are whining about their license if the sixty days are not expired yet.

Second, a PA license costs $20, no training required. Texas is $140 plus cost of training. By Lott's estimates, if we dropped the price to $20 with no training, we could expect 8.7% of the population with 2,300,000 CHL's. Now, I could get excited about those numbers!

BTW, there is no evidence that PA licensees are any less law-abiding than Texas licensees, regardless of the training or cost differences.

I have no idea what the age dispersion is in PA, so this may or may not be a factor. However, as of Dec. 31, 2012, the total Texas population age 21 and over is only 18,523,029. With 708,408 CHL's, that's 3.8% of the eligible population with a CHL. Comparing the total population of the two states builds in an error, if there's a greater percentage of people below age 21 in one state or the other. Since our total population is more than double that of PA, I would expect that we would have a higher percentage of people under 21, but that's only a gut feeling based upon parent to child ratios.

I don't know if PA tracks crime states as does Texas, but it would be interesting to do the same analysis I do for Texas, if those number are available. (And if someone else wants to do it; I don't!)

Chas.

[mojo84]

Also, what percentage of each states population is ineligible due to criminal history, addiction and other disqualifying factors? I'm heading not and more about Texas having a much higher incarceration rate than other states. That would also impact the power capita rate.