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So a nice Swiss couple that works for Lufthansa has bought the house next door to mine and will be moving in when escrow closes. I just met them for the first time this morning, and the conversation eventually turned to hunting and guns. She said that her dad had been a big-time hunter in Switzerland and that they owned a number of guns in her family as she was growing up, but they both said that neither of them had hunted or owned firearms. The husband told me "I would very much like to have this experience", so I offered to take them out to my gun club some day, and I'm going to talk to a friend who has a lease about maybe inviting them on a hog hunt. They both said they felt safer knowing that neighbors have guns, so there's no real problem with their attitude about it, other than whatever habits they might have from having lived under draconian restrictions most of their lives.

They have moved here from Shanghai, China, where they have lived for the past 5-6 years, and they will be living here in the metroplex for the next 5-6 years. When their time here is up, they will eventually relocate to another country.....just because that is the nature of his job. Lufthansa moves him around every few years. But the husband said something that I found curious. He said that he had already looked into whether or not they would be allowed to own a firearm for home defense while they are living here, and he said that he was told that he could not. That doesn't sound right to me. He said that he didn't absolutely need one and that he's OK if he can't, but I'm not familiar enough with his gun rights (if any) as a foreign national living here on an extended visa.

What I was able to find was this BATFE quote:
May a nonimmigrant alien who has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant alien visa purchase or possess a firearm in the U.S. ?

An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is not prohibited from purchasing, receiving, or possessing a firearm if the alien falls within one of the following exceptions: (1) is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued by the Federal Government, a State, or local government, or an Indian tribe federally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which is valid and unexpired; (2) was admitted to the United States for lawful hunting or sporting purposes; (3) has received a waiver from the prohibition from the Attorney General of the United States; (4) is an official representative of a foreign government who is accredited to the United States Government or the Government’s mission to an international organization having its headquarters in the United States; (5) is en route to or from another country to which that alien is accredited; (6) is an official of a foreign government or a distinguished foreign visitor who has been so designated by the Department of State; or (7) is a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.

In addition, a nonimmigrant alien legally in the United States with or without a nonimmigrant visa may lawfully acquire a firearm only if he/she meets State of residence requirements as required by the Federal government. For more information, see ATF Ruling 2010-6 at: https://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-r ... 2010-6.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
If I understand this correctly, if my neighbor purchases a hunting license, he can then purchase a firearm. Is that correct? Can someone clarify this for me?
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TAM,
I am no expert on this matter, so don't hold me to it, but I have personally seen, on two different occasions, two different gentlemen from Mexico purchase rifles with just showing their visa's and hunting licenses. One was at a Walmart in Greenville and the other at Academy in Mesquite. Not sure if it matters if it's a rifle, shotgun or handgun. :confused5
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I thought that someone posted recently, as in sometime in the last 3-4 months?, the steps of getting a gun, and getting a chl, when a non-citizen. I'll see if I can find it.
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TAM,

see if this thread might hold any answers http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=74717
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SewTexas wrote:TAM,

see if this thread might hold any answers http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=74717
Thanks everybody! This link in particular is helpful. I will broach the subject again with my new neighbor the next time I see him...... which might be a couple of weeks or so from now.
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I keep this link bookmarked for non-citizen transfers, just to make sure:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/f ... firearms-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That Texas hunting license is the key part as you've already found.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:If I understand this correctly, if my neighbor purchases a hunting license, he can then purchase a firearm. Is that correct? Can someone clarify this for me?
It is my understanding as well that if they purchase a hunting license (from any state) that they are then allowed to possess firearms and ammunition.
Just don't let the license lapse.

Another recent thread on this topic, with law references: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php ... -the-Range" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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TAM, a "Just by the way"...

Switzerland is an interesting country when it comes to guns and gun rights, as every able-bodied male, who is physically/psychologically suitable is required to serve mandatory military service (the others are given alternative service), and then they, as well as the females that volunteer for military service, are required to keep their personal equipment and weapons secured in their primary residence (they used to also keep a basic load of ammo, but that got to be too expensive to maintain and was recently abandoned). They are able to purchase and keep privately owned ammo that's compatible with their sidearms and rifles/carbines, though. And after the military committment is over, they can elect to continue to posses their service weapon. I'm sure there are a lot of American military folks who wish that happened over here!

There was a TV show that showed their annual "sighting in" day where everyone grabs their guns and troops down to the local armory to shoot for proficiency and keep up their marksmanship.

Carry permits are available in Switzerland, but not widely issued except for security folks, and others who work/transport high value property. About 10% of Swiss homes have a handgun, according to Wikipedia, compared to about 18% in the US.
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