NOS wrote:I'm just waiting for someone to report that one of the smugglers was wounded or killed, and then send all of the boarder patrol agents to prison for attempted murder or murder.
Why do we have so many people in this country that take the side of foreign invaders and drug smugglers? I'll never understand this.
If you mentioned your support for anything like this before 1980 you were a "communist" and "Anti-American". Now you are classified as a defender of the less fortunate and a personal rights ambassador...
In the end, I guess it is a very small victory for the US, and we managed to keep some drugs off the street. Although I'm sure plenty of drugs made it in while the patrol was busy dealing with these guys. We'll take the victories as they come, no matter how small.
I disagree. There's a cheap and simple way to end drug crime, and that's to end drug prohibition. Of course, it'll never happen because there's too many people, with power and influence, who want to be another Kennedy or Capone (as if there were a difference).
NOS wrote:I still say that we need a Chuck Norris cardboard cut-out wall along the border. If that don't keep 'em out, nothing will!
This, on the other hand, I completely agree with. We should tell the world that this is a Chucktatorship!
NOS wrote:I'm just waiting for someone to report that one of the smugglers was wounded or killed, and then send all of the boarder patrol agents to prison for attempted murder or murder.
Why do we have so many people in this country that take the side of foreign invaders and drug smugglers? I'll never understand this.
If you mentioned your support for anything like this before 1980 you were a "communist" and "Anti-American". Now you are classified as a defender of the less fortunate and a personal rights ambassador...
In the end, I guess it is a very small victory for the US, and we managed to keep some drugs off the street. Although I'm sure plenty of drugs made it in while the patrol was busy dealing with these guys. We'll take the victories as they come, no matter how small.
I disagree. There's a cheap and simple way to end drug crime, and that's to end drug prohibition. Of course, it'll never happen because there's too many people, with power and influence, who want to be another Kennedy or Capone (as if there were a difference).
NOS wrote:I still say that we need a Chuck Norris cardboard cut-out wall along the border. If that don't keep 'em out, nothing will!
This, on the other hand, I completely agree with. We should tell the world that this is a Chucktatorship!
Do you really want to legalize the drugs, this is not alcohol or just pot we are talking about.
I would definitely like to legalize, same as alcohol and tobacco. Let druggies kill themselves, it is their decision. Legalization would result in more taxes from losers that buy them and way way less crime. Alcohol has proved prohibition doesnt work. American Govt needs to quit being the world's daddy and american citizen's daddy.
rm9792 wrote:I would definitely like to legalize, same as alcohol and tobacco. Let druggies kill themselves, it is their decision. Legalization would result in more taxes from losers that buy them and way way less crime. Alcohol has proved prohibition doesnt work. American Govt needs to quit being the world's daddy and american citizen's daddy.
After my next relative and/or friend is killed by a drunk driver, I'll let you know how it's working out. (Too many already for me to appreciate your arguments, sorry.)
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And what laws are stopping this now? None. I sympathize as I have been there as well but nothing will stop these idiots from DUI short of life w/o parole. I am all for stiffening penalties for offenses commited under the influence of any drug.
I would be all for decriminilzation, not making them totally legal. This would allow employers to continue their current drug testing programs. Provided that there is drug testing required for anyone receiving ANY government aid, including medicaid. People want to abuse drugs, fine.........just don't make me pay for the consequences of it, or finance it through welfare.
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canvasbck wrote:I would be all for decriminilzation, not making them totally legal. This would allow employers to continue their current drug testing programs. Provided that there is drug testing required for anyone receiving ANY government aid, including medicaid. People want to abuse drugs, fine.........just don't make me pay for the consequences of it, or finance it through welfare.
This. If this was a provision, I'd be all for legalizing drugs. Haven't we learned yet that govt can NEVER be as effective as a free market? Make something illegal, and all you do is make someone a profit selling it. Normally very bad people.
canvasbck wrote:I would be all for decriminilzation, not making them totally legal. This would allow employers to continue their current drug testing programs. Provided that there is drug testing required for anyone receiving ANY government aid, including medicaid. People want to abuse drugs, fine.........just don't make me pay for the consequences of it, or finance it through welfare.
This. If this was a provision, I'd be all for legalizing drugs. Haven't we learned yet that govt can NEVER be as effective as a free market? Make something illegal, and all you do is make someone a profit selling it. Normally very bad people.
Include tobacco and I agree. If a smoker gets lung cancer, why should non smokers have to pay?
I believe the basic political division in this country is not between liberals and conservatives but between those who believe that they should have a say in the personal lives of strangers and those who do not.
canvasbck wrote:I would be all for decriminilzation, not making them totally legal. This would allow employers to continue their current drug testing programs. Provided that there is drug testing required for anyone receiving ANY government aid, including medicaid. People want to abuse drugs, fine.........just don't make me pay for the consequences of it, or finance it through welfare.
This. If this was a provision, I'd be all for legalizing drugs. Haven't we learned yet that govt can NEVER be as effective as a free market? Make something illegal, and all you do is make someone a profit selling it. Normally very bad people.
Include tobacco and I agree. If a smoker gets lung cancer, why should non smokers have to pay?
Don't forget overweight people who have coronary issues or other weight related ailments, or people who are injured in sporting events, or mountain or rock climbing, and skiing, etc. if I engage in none of those activities, why should I pay? The list will never end.
So it really does not matter if these drugs are legal or illegal, it is that small percentage of working, tax paying Americans are going to pay. Make them legal and all we do is expose more generations to the possiblity of becoming addicts, just like their existing ability to become alcoholic's.
A small number of drug users could probably hold a job and pay for their own drug use. That would be the social users
A larger number of drug addicts, that cannot hold a job, or carry on any type of normal lifestyle would be hitting the free clinics for their supply. Guess who would be paying that note, and add to it the fact it would be another GOVERNMENT AGENCY that would be managing the drug distribution.
I for one believe the current administration would love having another segment of voters lining up at the polls. They could just mix in with the illegals and vote their little hearts away.
Enforce the laws we have, make penalties more harsh, stop worrying about the crimminals rights. Don't make it easier for them.
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45 4 life wrote:A larger number of drug addicts, that cannot hold a job, or carry on any type of normal lifestyle would be hitting the free clinics for their supply. Guess who would be paying that note, and add to it the fact it would be another GOVERNMENT AGENCY that would be managing the drug distribution.
That's a socialist dream. There's no free clinics handing out Bombay Gin or iPhones. The problem is the growing socialism that's destroying this country, not drugs or guns or video games. If people can't afford their recreational choices, they should work harder or do without. If they resort to robbery to support their hobbies, decent people should use whatever force necessary to stop the wicked people.
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