Been ripped off! Need to sell two pistols!

[makenzie71]

(I'm sure I had already posted this, but it's not here now, so again it goes...)

Members~ These are for sale to legal Texas residents only. Prior to shipment, I will need a copy of your social security card, driver's license, and a signed statement (I will provide) declaring that you are in fact eligible for legal firearm ownership in the State of Texas. I need these things to cover my butt in the event of a mishap and to do the propper background checks.

It is very likely that a third party will be involved for delivery of the firearms. Sorry for the possible inconvenience, but firearms are dangerous and the sales need to be as strictly regulated as possible to ensure everyone's safety.

Now, for the guns:

First is a Llama .380 Micro-Max automatic pistol. This pistol is still needing to be broken in as it's only had a few clips run through it in all. A raw auto generally needs between 500 and 750 round worked through it before it stops jamming periodically. This pistol is light-weight and packs a decent hit for the package size.

Pistol comes with two clips and some ammo (iff shipping isn't prohibitive on the ammunition) for $325.

Second, we have a nice Smith and Wesson model 19-5. This is a classic snub-nose police issue 6 round revolver in .357 Magnum...the "Noisy Cricket" of the lead'n'powder scene. She's seen very little use as I really can't hit crap with her but she rotates, actions, and fires very well. She's like-new.

Pistol comes with speed loader, some ammo (if shipping isn't prohibitive on the ammunition), extra wood grips and a holster for $450. Try and buy a S&W revolver now for less than $500.

Prices are best offer and all sales will be final. I prefer paypal, and paypal is the fastest way to get your firearm to you.

Serious inquiries should be directed to makenzie71@gmail.com for fastest response (likely "immediate").

Thanks for reading guys!

[gigag04]

good luck finding anyone to buy from you while you require a copy of a SS and a DL.

[makenzie71]

good luck finding anyone to buy from you while you require a copy of a SS and a DL.

...thanks for the wonderful "buyer" input. I'm sure it will not be an issue as that's required information for any registered firearm purchase. I'm not passing this stuff under the table with no way of proving I didn't use the gun to thug up some gas station.

If you are concerned about providing the required information then you should seek your purchases elsewhere.

Further...this is the internet. Should I just sell to any John Doe who pops up and says "I'm legal"? Would you? Probably not because that's just inviting someone to show you how stupid entrusting strangers can be. Anyone willing to meet me in or around Gruver, TX will not have to meet such, apparently, "severe" criteria.

[KBCraig]

good luck finding anyone to buy from you while you require a copy of a SS and a DL.

...thanks for the wonderful "buyer" input. I'm sure it will not be an issue as that's required information for any registered firearm purchase.

Hogwash.

Your SSN isn't even required on Form 4473 at a dealer. No one requires a copy of the SS card.

Like the aggie said: good luck. As it is, you sound like the ballsiest identity thief in town.

[makenzie71]

Your SSN isn't even required on Form 4473 at a dealer. No one requires a copy of the SS card.

You're right, #8 on the 4473 says it's an option but is suggested to be on the form to prevent misidentification.

Maybe you guys can suggest how I should approach selling these guns? How am I supposed to prevent some moron from buying my gun, shooting someone, then leaving the gun (which is registered to ME) there as a big neon sign over my head?

[KBCraig]

Maybe you guys can suggest how I should approach selling these guns? How am I supposed to prevent some moron from buying my gun, shooting someone, then leaving the gun (which is registered to ME) there as a big neon sign over my head?

There is no gun registration in Texas, nor in most of the U.S.

I suspect you bought the guns from a dealer, so you're worried that they're traceable to you, should the buyer or some subsequent buy use them criminally. Relax. "CSI" is full of hot air. Even though "Law & Order" "traces" guns in every episode, the truth is that no such system exits that will track a gun to its owner (or vice versa).

[jimlongley]

I haven't given or even written my Social Security Insurance Identification number for a firearms purchase in years, one of the benefits of having a CHL, and that includes on a 4473.

I don't see how requiring those is going to prevent someone from providing you with bogus ones anyway.

[anygunanywhere]

Makenzie71,

Boy did you get off on the wrong foot on this forum. This is a CHL forum, all CHL holders have been through background checks etc., and if you had one you would know this. This is not the forum to start dictating demands that even the firearms auction sites do not require.

You really need to take your firearms to gunbroker.com, auctionarms or one of the other sites and sell through FFL dealers if you are worried that some terrorist or gangsta is going to buy the firearms from you.

I read your post and was really a little offended at your tone. I can't speak for others. Read the other posts from members selling firearms and take a clue from them.

Anygunanywhere.

[Scott Murray]

Since this is a CHL forum, how about doing the transfer face to face, and then just asking to see the buyer's CHL? You could copy down his name and CHL number, if you liked, which you could provide to investigators if there were ever a problem.

Buy viewing the CHL, you're assured that you're not selling to a crook. You have the information to contribute the chain of ownership, if it's ever investigated. And the name and CHL number wouldn't go very far towards stealing an identity.

Of course the driver's license number is also on the CHL, but there wouldn't be any reason to copy it down. Also, the buyer might want to get your name and ID as well. What if the gun turns out to be stolen, and had been used in a crime?

Scott

[ghentry]

Makenzie71,

Boy did you get off on the wrong foot on this forum. This is a CHL forum, all CHL holders have been through background checks etc., and if you had one you would know this. This is not the forum to start dictating demands that even the firearms auction sites do not require.

You really need to take your firearms to gunbroker.com, auctionarms or one of the other sites and sell through FFL dealers if you are worried that some terrorist or gangsta is going to buy the firearms from you.

I read your post and was really a little offended at your tone. I can't speak for others. Read the other posts from members selling firearms and take a clue from them.

Anygunanywhere.

+1

[txinvestigator]

He could also require that the gun be shipped thru an FFL. That way he could be sure that a background check was conducted, the person is a Texas resident and meets the other requirement.

The buyer would then not have to be concerned with identity theft.

And for makenzie71, all that the law requires of you to sell a personally owned firearm is that you not KNOWINGLY sell it to someone not legally able.

Ask for a bill of sale and you have all of the info you need.



please excuse any typo's as I am using a new keyboard and I am a fat fingered typist anyway. :?

[Kalrog]

...then leaving the gun (which is registered to ME) there as a big neon sign over my head?

Where and how is it registered to you?

Just a signed receipt of sale would be more than enough to CYA in this VERY unlikely situation. Just put the serial number and date on it with the sellers and buyers name and signature and you are completely covered from that date forward.

Or ship through an FFL if you are doing something not FTF.

I agree that there is NO WAY that I would supply someone over the 'net with my identifying information like that. Way too much of a chance of identity theft.

IANAL - maybe a real lawyer can chime in.

[gigag04]

I know HighVelocity and I did a swap and all we did was flash our CHL's to each other and that was good enough for us.

[HighVelocity]

I know HighVelocity and I did a swap and all we did was flash our CHL's to each other and that was good enough for us.

Roger that. I think your tinfoil hat is wayyy too tight Mackenzie71.

[sensei]

Posted --- then thought about it. No need for me to sink to that level.

Ray